FORKNI-L
Digest - 19 Mar 1996
Tue, 19 Mar 1996
There are 25 messages totalling 603 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Charting Nick and Nat through rocky shoals
2. Best season
3. Werewolves and Wicked Tippi (2)
4. Sense of Direction
5. UPI Article/Interview on Ger & FK (better late than never?)
6. Adult posting? (2)
7. Why Ger doesn't swallow
8. SOS: More letters?!?
9. Not getting mail (2)
10. OTL Notebook?
11. The night shift in Toronto
12. mini-con
13. Upcoming AOL FK Chats/Spec. Guests
14. Sony postcards & web page
15. FK in the 60s...another thought.
16. Allyce "the Twit" Hunter's Fate
17. A Scrunk Revisited
18. Toronto -- Taming... (fwd)
19. Ribena (2)
20. Angry at Sony
21. YKYBWTMFK...
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 04:55:13 -0800
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: Charting Nick and Nat through rocky shoals
Sorry to jump into this late, but I've been away, and some things I
can't let slide without putting in my two cents worth. <g>
>From March 8, Amy R. r......@w....... writes:
>proverbial desert isle has reminded me that N&N weren't always more
>than friends. When did this transition take place? A single episode?
> Over a season? Between seasons?
Imo, it never has. I see them as friends, buddies, compadres, period.
Close friends, yes. Folks who care about each other, yes. But not
more than that.
Imo, one of the major reasons that Nat likes to be around Nick is
because he's *safe*. Unattainable. Someone to watch movies with, do
things with, *fit into conventional society with*, but without any
worry of things getting beyond that. (And I'd love to see an episode
which explored why she is that way - come to think of it, I wrote one,
didn't I, Celeste? <g>). Meanwhile, Nick thinks he is attracted to Nat
because he is attracted to her mortality. If he ever did become mortal
though, I think any illusion of a romantic relationship between the
pair would fall away so fast as to make one's head spin. Though I will
concede that things might work out differently if she were to become a
vampire. But that's because of the way I see vampiric relationships,
and constitutes a whole different subject.
Which is why, I'll never be a Nick&Natpacker <g>.
On this subject, btw, during my conversation last month with Nick Gray,
when he was discussing the Nick/Nat and Tracy/Vachon relationships, he
described the Nick/Nat relationship as "intellectual" whereas the
Tracy/Vachon relationship was *hotter*. Which, in turn, is why they
decided they couldn't develop it (or them), because the moment they let
it run its course, she'd be dead. (Just some insight into how TPTB
think.)
Laurie Fenster
Cousin; Valentine; Founder of Perfect Pairings
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 05:12:52 -0800
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: Best season
Still catching up. Sorry.
JanetteZ writes:
>All-in-all, I put first and second season as equals and think 3rd
>season has lost a lot.
>> Yes!!! <snip to get to four lines> I've felt all by my lonesome
>>in the argument for how much the 3rd season sucks!!!! THANK YOU!!!
You're far from alone, but this issue was debated to death in the early
part of third season, and those of us who were involved then are either
less active in (or gone from) the list now, unwilling to rehash this
topic, and/or see no reason to annoy/depress people who like third
season, especially since being negative about it can't change anything.
Fwiw, I think the second half of third season, from Night in Question
(ep 10) onwards has been very good, though I still miss Schanke and
Janette, have no use for Tracy, and only like Vachon in scenes with
Nick. I have no use for the first nine eps of this season, which I
keep only for the sake of completeness but will not rewatch and ignore
to the extent possible.
Just my opinion, but you're far from alone out there.
Laurie Fenster
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:25:59 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Werewolves and Wicked Tippi
Tammy Williams wrote:
>Do you know something the rest of us don't?
Well, I might know things the rest of the world doesn't, but this wasn't one
of em! ;)
> It just occurred to me that the new werewolf show that everyone's
>screaming about sounds an awful lot like _your_ fanfic story tv show
>Eternal (damn, what was the rest of that?!) Champion(?). So what gives -
>are you psychic, employed by Aaron Spelling, or just lucky<g>!
Bleh, is it an Aaron Spelling production? This is the man who is bringing us
Transylvania 90210?? Methinks the man is suffering from Tracy Vetter
Syndrome -- symptoms include being obsessed with vampires and the like. No
but seriously. "Any resemblance to persons living or dead is entirely
coincidental!"
Honest. I swear. That's the story and I'm stickin to it! ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 08:33:37 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Sense of Direction
Sharon Bhandari wrote:
> The question is, do you think Nick, and FK vampires, have some
>sort of built in compass? They always seem to know exactly where they
>are going. Can you imagine a vampire with a bad sense of direction?
Methinks it's all the blood they drink. The iron accumulates in their body
and acts like a built-in compass in their bodies. Has something to do with
magnetic pull or what have you. ;)
Oooh, science! Call Alex Trebek! I'm ready for Jeopardy! ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 05:46:27 -0800
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: UPI Article/Interview on Ger & FK (better late than never?)
If anyone is interested in this article, you can e-mail to me privately.
Jackie
Support your local Attorney....Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:02:34 -0500
From: Calliope <usleamys@u.......>
Subject: Adult posting?
Hi all ---
I was just wondering ... what constitutes a story being posted on "Adult"
Fkfic-l? I was thinking this because I had a neat idea for a fanfic piece,
but the language content is beyond strong. For example, if someone did
something like "Reservoir Knights" or the like, would it go under "Adult"
or would it go normally with a very strong disclaimer at the head? And if
it did go under "Adult," how do you post it that way?
ObFK: I went into a comic shop and from the corner of my eye I spotted a
comic book called "Eternal Warrior"! Tippi fever must be spreading!
Also: If somone said that they were as old as the century, how old would
that make them? I thought 2000, but that seemed way too old for the non-FK
vampire in question.
luv,
Cathy
usleamys@u.......
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:03:59 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Why Ger doesn't swallow
I suspect it's because of something that happened in the first season.
According to Ger in various interviews, he had to drink straight Ribena
over and over again for one scene, and it finally made him throw up.
This was probably the scene at the Raven after Nick goes off the deep
end when his sponsor tries to seduce him in Feeding the Beast. He has
even Janette alarmed by his attitude and he's knocking back the stuff
in gulps. Ger keeps grimacing. He uses the expression in character, but
if you know about the throwing up, you can tell he's reacting to the
taste.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:08:47 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: SOS: More letters?!?
In a message dated 96-03-19 08:38:30 EST, Felicia wrote:
> As well as generating the concomitant publicity, it would be an
>excellent way to thank Fred for his service to the list. Heck, forget gold,
>try for platinum ;)
I am having the worst time just waiting for this thing to come out. I have a
few lines of "On the Dark Side of the Glass" running through my head. I can't
rmember the rest of the lyrics. It's driving me Crazy! (Before anyone
suggests that it's not a far trip to travel, I know several mercs....)
I whole heartedly agree! I do believe it will go gold, without difficulty.
Fred is a nice guy and a true talent. Haven't you heard? Nice guys finish
first......
Carrie,
Proud Knightie
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 09:08:11 -0500
From: Chana <bonney@i.......>
Subject: Re: Not getting mail
>I haven't gotten any mail in about nine hours, including some I wrote so I
>know things are messed up. I also can't find the subscribe-unsubscribe
>info, which I may have accidentally deleted. Could someone PLEASE send me
>the instructions. I also haven't gotten any fkfic-l mail either.
I sent her the information I had regarding subscribe/signoff, but
if she's not getting mail...
Chana
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:14:44 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: OTL Notebook?
Can anyone tell me what Nick read in Natalie's notebook in Only The Lonely?
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:15:16 GMT
From: Misty Hamman <Misty_Hamman@s.......>
Subject: Re: Not getting mail
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knoe if you need it still. Goodbye for now---
Mimi
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:01:32 -0600
From: michael wayne jackson <mjay@n.......>
Subject: Re: The night shift in Toronto
>It is true that Nick might have trouble squeezing in a full 8-hour
>working day in, say, late June when the days are longest. (Does anyone
>know how long the longest day is in Toronto?)
According to the Canadian Almanac and Directory 1996, on June 13, 1996 in
Toronto the sun rises at 4:35 a.m. and sets at 8:00 p.m. giving Nick 15
hours and 25 minutes of hiding to do. On the opposite side of the scale, on
January 7, 1997 in Toronto the sun rises at 7:51 a.m. and sets at 4:57 p.m.
giving him only 9 hours and 6 minutes of deadly sunlight. As far as I can
tell these are the longest and shortest days of the coming year based on the
charts in the almanac.
michael wayne jackson -- mjay@n.......
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:12:51 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Adult posting?
On Tue, 19 Mar 1996, Calliope wrote:
> Also: If somone said that they were as old as the century, how old would
> that make them? I thought 2000, but that seemed way too old for the non-FK
> vampire in question.
My understanding of the idiom "as old as the century" is that it's the
last two digits that are being referred to. In 1996, someone as old as
the century would be 96 years old.
As old as the millenium would be 996 (this being the second millenium of
the Common Era).
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
-*- Enter any 12 digit prime number to continue -*-
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 11:22:06 +0200
From: Katrinka <STUKENDALCA@m.......>
Subject: mini-con
My local club is having a mini-con in del city oklahoma April 20. If you
want any info, please e-mail me, it's free!!!!!!!!!!
Also we will be showing canadan Fk and the bloopers!
Katrinka
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:30:53 -0600
From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Upcoming AOL FK Chats/Spec. Guests
At 11:36 PM 2/29/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Just to inform the list that I have received confirmations from both Fred
>Mollin and Jon Cassar for attending the AOL Forever Knight "Knight Watch"
>Chats sometime in March/April!
>
>Scheduling is still being arranged, but Fred ought to be making his return
>appearance at the chat later in March after the CD is released, and Jon
>Cassar either on March 11 or sometime in April.
Hi,
Haven't talked to you in a while! How are ya? Do you have any new news on
the above? I'm looking forward to it! Thanks!
Annmarie
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:24:01 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Sony postcards & web page
I was wandering around on the Sony FK web site, and look what I stumbled
across! A mysterious web page created in early February but never (to my
knowledge) linked to the other Sony FK web pages.
http://www.spe.sony.com/Pictures/tv/forever/fk24.html
The part that made my jaw hit the floor, since it's news I haven't seen
elsewhere (typos are theirs):
"This past Christmas Sony debuted electronic cards
whcih could be sent out to friends and family in
cyberspace. Sony had pledged $10,000 to charity
and invited stars from their numerous T.V. shows
to pick a charity they would like to sponsor. The
percentage of cards sent would equal the
percentage of the $10,000 to be donated to the
individual charity. In all over 24,000 cards were
sent and Forever Knight accounted for 68% of the
24,000."
Note: 68% x 24,000 = 16,320
I know I sent hundreds of those things myself, mostly involving really bad
poetry, before my fingers went numb & I resorted to sending money directly
to PAF. Obviously some people didn't quit so easily! :^)
Also note, this means more than $6,800 went from Sony to PAF, since
another of their stars (the woman from "Married with Children") also chose
PAF as her charity.
But what's even more interesting about this page is that they describe how
the fans organized their own fundraising campaign for PAF, raising $6,000
within a few weeks. (That would be the amount delivered to PAF in January
during FK Appreciation Week.)
Are they proud of us? Are they trying to take credit for us? I don't
care, I'm just glad they are interested in what we do! :^)
A personal request: if anyone is thinking of contacting Sony about the
information on this page, please hold off for a few days. They just might
decide to delete the page if someone contacts them about it; if we hold
off for a few days, maybe everyone on the list will have a chance to look
at the page before it disappears.
BTW, the following .sig is included solely to annoy Cousine Celeste.
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* __o -- Have angst, will travel -- *
* _`\<,_ Now planning the Forever Knight charity bike tour! *
* (*)/ (*) see http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html *
* Shrewthering info: http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/shrew.html *
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:52:00 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: FK in the 60s...another thought.
Ok Sandy, Vampire Laugh-In?
Now, the men with the white coat are here to help you, just relax and let them
do their job.....
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:51:58 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: Allyce "the Twit" Hunter's Fate
Christina - ROTFLMAO!! I couldn't agree more. I thought she was a bit on the
stupid side anyway - but the only good thing she provided was a really sad
moment (and a great acting one for Ger) as he clutched her body him. I actually
had tears running down my face. Anyway, I do agree - lady just ain't got no
brains!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 13:52:04 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: A Scrunk Revisited
Actually, now that I think of it, there really is no reason to convince anyone
that Nick and Nat should be together. I don't think there is any way you can do
that, any more than anyone could convince anyone else that my husband and I
should be together. We are opposites in so many things that when we got married
everyone had bets on how long it would last. People asked me why we wanted to
get married in the first place and nothing I could say would convince them that
we should do that. Not even saying we loved each other as NIck and Nat do.
That was not enough of a reason, you can live together and not get married was
one of the things they offered.
Well, 18 years later and we're still together and 95% of the friends that
laughed at us are laughing from the other sides of their faces. They've married
and divorced once, twice and even three times in the same amount of time that
his couple that just couldn't last has been married.
SO, I say, one does not have to prove why Nick and Nat should be together if
they truly believe they should be, they just should be coz they wanna be and
that's that! (Stamping foot and crossing arms!!) So there!!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 10:31:15 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Werewolves and Wicked Tippi
Frankly, Cousin Tippi should consider sueing Spelling for ripping off her
idea. Hey, I would not put anything past those people--someone hacks in
and starts helping themselves for fun and profit.
Feeling very Cousin-like,
Barbara
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:13:35 -0400
From: Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Toronto -- Taming... (fwd)
A friend of mine is looking for some info on Ger's play next month.
Her e-mail is in the header of her message, if you can provide her with info.
- Lynn Stapleton
Nat-Packer
d7ux@u.......
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 15:42:27 +400
From: lynnr@f.......
To: d7ux@u.......
Subject: Toronto -- Taming...
Lynn,
Do you know if there was a particular day Forever Knight fans were
going to see Taming of the Shrew? I called and reserved two tickets
for Friday the 26th of April. The box office lady didn't know of any F.K.
night, but she did say Thursday was getting sold out.
Lynn Reicker
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:20:17 -0800
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Re: Ribena
As a self-proclaimed *expert* in Ribena <g> ...
I discovered Ribena on a trip to England in, oh, say 1984 or so, and
picked up a fondness for it then. Long before Forever Knight's time.
So there! :-)
And my husband adores the stuff. During our recent trip to England, he
pretty much drank it every day.
Of course, we're talking about the cartoned stuff, the way it is
usually sold in supermarkets and vending machines in England. NOT the
undiluted supersweet concentrate -- which believe it or not comes with
warning labels not to drink it straight <g> -- that our favorite actors
have to swill without diluting it. That stuff is a little too much for
me. (Anyone else out there remember drinking coke syrup as a
*medication* as a child? Same principle.)
And imo Ribena is NOTHING like Koolaid, which I detest.
Btw, on the subject of Ribena, we use the term generically on list, but
technically we should be talking about Ribena blackcurrant flavor.
Other flavors include Ribena blackcurrant lite (probably what got into
LC's bottles early in the season <g>); Ribena blackcurrant no sugar
added; Ribena strawberry; Ribena raspberry; Ribena forest fruits (a
combination of blackcurrant, elderberry, raspberry and I forget what
else that is a relatively recent addition to the Ribena family and
another one I'm rather partial to); and Ribena apricot-and-orange.
But I believe Ribena blackcurrant was the first and still the favorite
in the UK.
As far as I know, only Ribena blackcurrant has made it into the US.
And, oddly enough, although it is difficult to find the prediluted,
ready to drink Ribena in this country, it is equally difficult to find
the undiluted concentrate in England! Go figure! :-)
Laurie
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 12:31:00 PT
From: Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: Angry at Sony
Thanks to Allison's post, I found and read the Sony fk blurb. That pissed me
off. They claim to have started us in cyberspace. Would one of the longtimers
like to set the SOB's straight. Not only do they have the balls to cancel the
show, but they are blatantly and flat out lying about our presence.
This Ravenette wishes LaCroix were real so that she could convince him that
a few necks at Sony are in need of draining.
Sorry Celeste, but I *like* my sig.
Tami LaFrank : TCL58@a....... or TCL20@a.......
Forever Faithful Ravenette :
Owner: Sacred Raven Health Spa : Eat a live frog first thing in the
"Come in, relax. We're dying : morning and nothing worse can happen
to prolong your life" : to you for the rest of the day.
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 15:43:33 -0500
From: Bea Quindlen <ocaoin@u.......>
Subject: Re: Ribena
I just got back from buying Ribena. There are two sizes
available so check when pricing - 400 ml at my store is
$5.90 (US), 600 ml from their catalogue lists at $7.30 (US).
And for the truly demented voluntary Ribena drinkers I present:
Juicy Jugulars
4 envelopes Knox unflavored gelatin
1 cup cold Ribena*
3 cups Ribena* heated to boiling
*Mix Ribena to taste - I made mine slightly strong.
In a bowl, sprinkle gelatine over the cold Ribena, let stand
1 minute. Add hot Ribena and stir to dissolve gelatine
completely. Pour into a 13 x 9 in pan and chill until firm.
Cut (dissect?) into desired shapes.
I admit I haven't taste tested these because I just mixed them
up but I'll try it later tonight after work. The Ribena did taste
good to me - even undiluted.
Ocaoin@u.......
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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 16:24:06 -0500
From: knust lisa m <lmknus@m.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFK...
You know you've been watching to much FK when...your school
announces a new set of General Education Requirements (GERs) and you
wonder if they're fans of GWD's work.
Lisa K-hoping she managed not to offend anyone this time :(
lmknus@m.......
"For the Blood is the Life..."
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