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Digest - 11 Mar 1996 - Special issue
Mon, 11 Mar 1996
There are 44 messages totalling 1022 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. New Game: Favourite Episodes That Never Were.
2. New presidential candidate. (10)
3. Episode that Never was
4. Fangs and Blood Sucking -- explanation
5. e: Carouches
6. Screed (6)
7. Fangs and Blood Sucking (2)
8. Remember Canada? (2)
9. Washington DC schedule
10. We, the Vampire Snack Food...
11. anyone know of showings of the last 4 episodes?
12. Being brought over (2)
13. The Geminis (2)
14. Favourite Episodes That Never Were (2)
15. Episodes (We Hope) Never Were
16. IFangs and Blood Sucking -- explanation
17. Nat/LC in 96! --and-- Words
18. Parent Advisory
19. Blind Faith (2)
20. Sidney Lambert
21. Nigel Bennett's post
22. Casting-Star trek Voyager
23. Fever/Scent in Human Blood
24. Concealed Members
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:25:46 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: New Game: Favourite Episodes That Never Were.
Sandra wrote: "I'd like to have seen an ep where Nat experiments on herself
with Nick's blood and *temporarily* becomes a vampire. Sort of like what
happens in the movie To Sleep With a Vampire (not that she has to go to bed with
Nick :) necessarily). I'd like to see what insight she'd get into Nick's
condition if that happened to her."
I agree - I would love the see or read that. Any takers??
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:25:55 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
Cal wrote: Well, at least we'd have a First Couple where there was no doubt
which of the pair was the brains of the administration.....
"AHEM!!!" sound of all Knighties collectively clearing their throats.
Dotti R
Knightie 4Ever
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:27:25 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Episode that Never was
Janette and Natalie, believing that Nick's investigation is not only
wrongheaded but potentially fatal to him and the other vampires in
Toronto, secretly work together against him.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:55:56 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Fangs and Blood Sucking -- explanation
Robbi said:
>It would be quite difficult, given the small holes made by the fangs to get
>much blood in such a short time. Now if the fangs where hallow, that could
>explain a lot.
If the fangs were hollow, then we have to assume that there are like hollow
canals behind the fangs, like up in his jaws and head, but such were never
seen in the X-Rays of Nick's head when he was shot in Night in Question.
I asked a friend of mine who's a nurse about this. She said that if a
vampire bit the carotid (or did she say jugular? no, it was the carotid) that
he/she could drain a human body in 4 minutes or less. I'm assuming that in
FK, this whole length of time is not shown because it would take a lot of
time away from the plot. So I'm going to assume that the blood-sucking we
see is the "edited" version. ;)
Of course, the thing is, if you bite the carotid it's gonna be real messy,
but we never see anyone with blood gushing out of their wounds. So mayhaps
vampire saliva has a coagulent in it? (Must make it real interesting to kiss
em...)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:56:11 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: e: Carouches
Stephanie Babbitt wrote:
>My guess: if you're brought across by a carouche, you are also a carouche,
>no matter what you choose to kill.
I agree with this, based solely on the fact that Nick called Carouches "a
lower form of vampire" and Nick (who thinks taking human life is the lowest
of the low) would not call anyone "lower" for craving animal blood.
Therefore, there must be some kind of anatomical or psychic or whatever
difference *besides* the choice of beverage.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:56:13 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Screed
Ann Scura wrote:
>During some of his near unintelligible rambling, didn't Screed
>mention that his first kill was a "Dingo?" Isn't that a little kangaroo,
>like a wallaby?
Dingos are dogs. :) Wild dogs. My dog Vixen looks just like a dingo: about
50 pounds, red coarse hair, big pointy ears.
It's impossible that Screed could've been a criminal brought to Australia,
since he is 450 years old, and that preceeds the colonization of Australia.
I mean, maybe he and Vachon rented a boat and went to Australia by
themselves, but Screed didn't get hauled off there for a crime. ;)
Could this be another case of inconsistency in the world of FK? Another
Battle of Hastings? Maybe "dingo" is a slang word of Screed's to denote any
mongrel dog. For consistency sake, that's what I'm going to believe. ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:22:44 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Fangs and Blood Sucking
April wrote about hollow teeth:
:I tend to agree, but if that was true, wouldn't the internal system of
:the vampire have to be altered somewhat? I mean, the blood has to get
:from the fangs to wherever it goes to sustain them.
Part of tooth development has a nice little vessel running up into the
center of the tooth. Maybe when they grow the tooth as a vampire, it doesn't
lose that?
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
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Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 06:27:21 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Screed
:During some of his near unintelligible rambling, didn't Screed
:mention that his first kill was a "Dingo?"
I thought he said "squealer" ("and the rest is history.")
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:33:21 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Screed
Ann wrote:
>During some of his near unintelligible rambling, didn't Screed
>mention that his first kill was a "Dingo?"
I'll check the exact quote, but I'm pretty sure what he said was: "Got me
dingoes (dinkos?) into a squealer that first night, I did." I took that to
mean that by dingoes (sp?) he meant his canines (fangs), and his first kill
*was* a rat. What we really need in the Screed eps is subtitles, like we
get when anyone speaks French. I have better luck understanding the French.
:-)
Stephanie Babbitt
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:49:49 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, in response to my question as to who should be Nat's
running mate, The Other Immortal wrote:
> How about Uncle?
Can you actually *imagine* LC playing second fiddle to Nat?!...although I
guess he really should be used to it by now, shouldn't he? <quickly ducking
out of the way Cousins line of fire>
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:05:42 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Fangs and Blood Sucking
A number of folks have speculated as to whether FK vampire's teeth are
hollow so the vamp can suck blood that way. My personal feeling is that
hollow eyeteeth (canines, as Nat calls them) would drain directly into the
sinuses (yuck!) and that if vampires sucked blood through their teeth, they
wouldn't subsequently dribble their victims' blood down their chins.
However, according to the FK FAQ file, Jim Parriott said after the first
season that the exchange of blood (victim to vamp and vamp to victim) is
all done through the fangs; therefore, they must be hollow. Of course, all
of this probably changed somewhere in the middle of season two.... :-)
Stephanie Babbitt (stephanie.babbitt@g.......)
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:00:43 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Remember Canada?
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Jamie Melody Randell wrote:
> However, why do I have the feeling that against all obvious logic, LaCroix
> would somehow prove to be very popular with the religious right?
Absoluetly! After all, who else has proven to be so easy to whammy into
following any authoritative presence that decides to run for
office...hell, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum would be harder to whammy.
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:08:44 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Washington DC schedule
I just got off the phone with Jennifer at WBDC-50 in Washington DC.
Despite what the TV guides will say, they will be airing the next two
episodes on Thursday nights at midnight (ie, really Friday morning). This
week will be Let No Man Tear Asunder on March 14, next week will be Night
in Question on March 21.
If you're in the Washington area and want to double check on the
schedule, the phone number is 000-000-0000. I've gotten into the habit of
calling her most Monday mornings since the printed schedule is so unreliable.
Katja
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:03:57 EST
From: MS SHIRLEY A CLINE <VUYX56A@p.......>
Subject: Re: We, the Vampire Snack Food...
Jamie, our resident WebGoddess said:
<<But beyond the simple question of food is the issue of blood chemistry and
vampiric tastebuds: might not certain blood diseases be particularly
distasteful (or palatable) to vampires?>>
What?! No plug for your story "Spyder's Web"? ;) Well, I'll do it
for you: for those of you that haven't read it, go get a copy!
*Immediately*! It's really good.
<<Since their perception of food differs from ours, it makes sense that
they would 'taste' things in the blood that a non-sanguiniverous
species wouldn't be equipped to detect.>>
Forgive me please <she says meekly>, but I think the word you want
is sanguivorous, or non-sanguivorous as the case may be. Anyway, I
always thought so. Though I usually think more along the lines of fear
and such.
Btw, where is it written that Nat eats *buttered* popcorn? :) That
would've made something of a mess during the infamous popcorn throwing
scene, wouldn't of it? ;) Oooh, now I'm having a weird vision of Nick
looking for a substitute "Nat taste" and going after Orville
Redenbacher (wait a minute, he's dead), Orville's nephew, or maybe even
Paul Newman. ;)=
Cousin Shirl <vuyx56a@p.......>
A-Negative FoFoD
//"The beauty of this vision alone, just like yesterday's sunset, has
been perverted by the sentimental, and mistaken for love"--Iris by
Live//
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:08:42 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Dotti Rhodes wrote:
> Cal wrote: Well, at least we'd have a First Couple where there was no doubt
> which of the pair was the brains of the administration.....
>
> > "AHEM!!!" sound of all Knighties collectively clearing their throats.
<sound of Natpackers applauding!>
Alora
First and Foremost: Natpacker
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:07:44 -0500
From: Jack De Winter <jackdw@m.......>
Subject: anyone know of showings of the last 4 episodes?
It seems like CFTo has dropped it here, and WKBW has preempted it
2 weeks in a row, so does anyone know if the last 4 episodes will
every be shown?
regards,
cousin jack
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:24:40 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Being brought over
Sandra G. wrote some great stuff about vampires bringing someone across
that included:
>LC also seemed to bring over Alyce Hunter in Dark Knight 2 without having
>her drink his blood, as Nick did Serena in second season's Baby, Baby. I
>don't think Perry had Jody drink his blood in Blind Faith either. :)
These instances of people and animals being brought across seemingly
without deliberate intent on the part of the parent vampire is the most
annoying kink in my scientific theory of vampirism. Particularly, if
vampirism is genetic, then human vampire DNA should be completely
incompatible with animals' DNA. However, if the vampire agent (or DNA
mutatogen) works like a virus, then it could be transmissible through
saliva and not just blood, and careless vampires could transmit vampirism
if they didn't drain their prey enough to kill.
Screed bolsters this theory in a quote in "Blind Faith." When Nick asks him
if he's brought a dog across, Screed says (I checked): "Can't clearly
recall--I mean, you know how it is. Maybe a little fast dude, double-double
dry-throat pup banger kind of thing interrupted here and there, and
sometimes if you don't lick your dish quite clean..." (at this point, Nick
interrupts him).
So it seems that vampirism can be transmitted by biting alone, *if* the
victim has a reasonable amount of his/her own blood removed first.
At this point, we've probably gone to more trouble to make sense of this
than the show's writers have....
Stephanie Babbitt
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:14:41 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Screed
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Kat wrote:
> :During some of his near unintelligible rambling, didn't Screed
> :mention that his first kill was a "Dingo?"
>
> I thought he said "squealer" ("and the rest is history.")
Yeah, that's what I thought too. Isn't that what he said when Vachon was
trying to explain to Tracey about "first kill, any kill" in Fever?
Alora...who's hoping Fever is off spoiler protection
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:50:00 -0500
From: Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: Re: The Geminis
Hey, wasn't that super nice of Mr. Bennett to post his acceptance speech
for us? I'm just grinning ear to ear!
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:11:46 -0600
From: The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
>Here is my cheap ad slogan for Uncle's campaign:
>Elect Lucien LaCroix. He's older than Bob Dole, yet won't die in office.
He is? (look of intense, catatonic shock) My god, that's a scary
thought... :)=
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
Who needs morals when you have a sense of humor?
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:12:55 -0600
From: The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Remember Canada?
>Natalie, Lacroix, and Janette for President?
>I know it's a terribly small consideration next to the fact that all
>the nominated are *fictional,* but...has it occurred to anyone
>that all the afore mentioned happen to be Canadian?
Yup. Hence the concept of United North America...
It could work...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
Who needs morals when you have a sense of humor?
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:11:29 -0600
From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
At 11:11 AM 3/11/96 -0600, you wrote:
>>Here is my cheap ad slogan for Uncle's campaign:
>>Elect Lucien LaCroix. He's older than Bob Dole, yet won't die in office.
It would certainly bring new meaning to the "Take A Bite Out Of Crime" campaign!
Move over McGruff! LaCroix is here!
Annmarie
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 12:15:22 EST
From: MS IDALIA KAKESAKO <NPYF15B@p.......>
Subject: Re: Favourite Episodes That Never Were
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Christine Hawkins, FoD, wrote:
> . . . given the chance to watch a never-made episode of
FK, what kind of episode would you would have most like to
have seen?<
Okay, my FETNW would be Nat Goes on a Date with a
Normal Guy and Has Fun, forgetting about Nick for those
few hours. Nick can pull a LaCroix and watch them from a
distance, fuming. Heh heh heh. Um, no cop story. (I
suppose this ep wouldn't EVER be filmed.) And, no, Nat's
date should NOT be the Criminal of the Week. Anyway,
we've seen that one already. :)
Another episode: Tracy goes to Hawaii, gets on a little boat
for a tour of the islands. The water starts getting rough, the
tiny ship gets tossed, if not for the courage of Tracy Vetter ...
You know the rest. Tracy ends up stranded, of course. :)
Idalia Kakesako
<IdaliaK@p.......>
--It's Tax Sale Time at the FK Motor Company! Buy your
1996 Flying Vampire today! Many models still available!
Fly over soon!--
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:19:33 -0600
From: The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Episodes (We Hope) Never Were
Nick discoveres the cure for vampyrism one night at Raven. However, it's a
thing which destroyed many millions of humans (and vamps), crushed
intelligence, and launched John Travolta to the big time. Yes, dear
friends, I speak of that atrocity known only as (do I dare speak/type it's
name?)...
DISCO.
(ducking)
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
Who needs morals when you have a sense of humor?
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:20:52 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: IFangs and Blood Sucking -- explanation
I remember when I first signed on to this list a couple of years back there was
a raging discussing about how the fangs worked and whether blood could be
ingested thru them and then sent back thru to the victim when trying to bring
someone across. I think the question came up because when Nick brought Richard
across, there wasn't the usual biting of the wrist or even a cup of blood given
to him to bring him across so everyone was trying to come up with a theory. I
remember thinking when I first was just lurking and reading, "Man, they're
trying to take something supernatural and make it work naturally so it makes
sense? Why? " and then the discussions on whether it was truly supernatural or
physical as Nat believes. I was amazed at the intelligence out there, and how
you guys had me almost believing vampires could physically exist!! Now it's
happening again, and just when I thought I had heard everything - wham - new
stuff. Why do they implode in sunlight? You guys came up with almost perfectly
believable reasons!!
You guys are amazing - but, it makes me wonder - how DO you all know so much?
Should I be wearing a cross when I get to Toronto? Hmmm............
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:24:47 -0600
From: The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
>> How about Uncle?
>Can you actually *imagine* LC playing second fiddle to Nat?!...although I
>guess he really should be used to it by now, shouldn't he? <quickly ducking
>out of the way Cousins line of fire>
Actually, I was thinking along the lines of a forced takeover sometime
around inauguration. That would be... very Uncle...
Ducking? Ducking? Quack, quackquack quack quack quackquack...
See, children? This is what happens when you eat too much sugar...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
Who needs morals when you have a sense of humor?
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:43:18 -0600
From: The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Favourite Episodes That Never Were
>Another episode: Tracy goes to Hawaii, gets on a little boat
>for a tour of the islands. The water starts getting rough, the
>tiny ship gets tossed, if not for the courage of Tracy Vetter ...
>You know the rest. Tracy ends up stranded, of course. :)
I can see this all too well.
With Natalie!
And Tracy too.
The Vaquero,
And his... uh, well, Urs, I guess.
Schanke's ghost,
Uncle and Nicky too!
Here on "Vampyre's Isle!"
Tracy: LaCroix, have you figured out any way for us to get off this island yet?
Uncle: It depends on what you mean by off this island.
Tracy: Huh?
Uncle: Do you believe in an afterlife?
(scene of unimaginable violence)
(a few minutes later, as Uncle is finishing off the last of Tracy)
Nick: LaCroix, what did you do now?
Uncle: I ate your partner.
Everyone: WE'RE SAVED!
(ducking from vegemite and Perkulators)
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
What does a vampyre call a date? Take out.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:44:53 -0600
From: The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
>> Cal wrote: Well, at least we'd have a First Couple where there was no doubt
>> which of the pair was the brains of the administration.....
>> > "AHEM!!!" sound of all Knighties collectively clearing their throats.
><sound of Natpackers applauding!>
Sound of Cousins plotting takeover... <VBEG>
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
What does a vampyre call a date? Take out.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 11:51:20 -0600
From: The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
><Ha! I can run faster than any of you! <THUMP!> that is, when I don't
>trip over my feet. No, no, please put the bat down...>
Bat? BAT? I didn't think FK vamps could transform...
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
Mistress Liver of the Malkavian Geld.
***Mad Scientist Somewhat-Extraordinaire***
What does a vampyre call a date? Take out.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:28:47 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Nat/LC in 96! --and-- Words
On Mar 11, 1996 11:24:47, 'The Other Immortal <phoenix@i.......>' wrote:
>>Can you actually *imagine* LC playing second fiddle to Nat?!...although I
>>guess he really should be used to it by now, shouldn't he?
>Actually, I was thinking along the lines of a forced takeover sometime
>around inauguration. That would be... very Uncle...
No, really, realistically -- what a funny word to use in reference to this
thread, which is fueled by random conjecture -- I think a Nat/LaCroix
ticket might work nicely.
You'd have Nat: strong yet feminine, compassionate, level-headed, appealing
to the sector of the population who'd love to elect a woman president. And
you'd have LaCroix: a military man, authoritative, willing to take a hard
line on social issues (Welfare reform? Drain 'em all and let the vampires
sort 'em out) and not about to take any bull from petty foreign dictators,
appealing to the sector of the population who believe in a forceful
government presence. Nick and Janette would undoubtedly be involved in the
campaign: Nick could be the outspoken advocate for human rights, appealing
to the sector that wants a champion; while Janette would appear at all the
society functions, satisfying the desires of those who like glamour and
that luscious hint of scandal... and Vachon could pop up here and there
like an analog to Roger Clinton or Billy Carter, stirring things up and
making trouble, being the 'black sheep' of the administration and therefore
making them seem all the more accessible to the common man...
Upon reflection, it's a team that no other candidate or political party
could stand against. Now, if we could just get around that
daytime-inauguration thing, we'd be set.
Words: Re the "sanguiniverous" thing: I honestly don't know if that's a
word or not. I don't actually own a dictionary that lists words that long.
(I oughta buy one. I already know all the words in the abridged ones.)
Mostly, when I need a word and I don't know whether or not one already
exists, I make up a term that sounds good (to me) and conveys the concept I
have in mind by inference and context. There is precedent for this: it's
basically how languages evolve over time. And when writing fiction,
there's a lot more latitude than elsewhere.
I also have a very bad tendency: when a word is over four syllables long, I
tend to start sticking letters in at random, just for the sheer joy of it.
But when actual words do exist, it's considered good form to use them; and
I really would like to know what the correct terminology would be, here; so
if anyone can clarify it beyond a shadow of a doubt, I'd appreciate it.
Humans are carniverous/omniverous; vampires would be...?
And while we're at it: is there a dictionary-defined term for a
human-blood-drinker specifically, as opposed to an animal-blood-drinker?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:37:57 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
While our Canadian mortals may not be eligible for the US presidency,
I would like to quote something that might be relevant in getting our
vampires elected: :)
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the
United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President..." Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5
Now, where were they all in 1788? :)
***Amy(Amy R.)r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner; Light Cousin)
"That thereby beauty's rose might never die" -- W.S. Sonnet 1
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:30:41 PST
From: Gary L Warren <garylwarren@j.......>
Subject: Re: Parent Advisory
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996 01:47:51 -0600 Annmarie <mickey@c.......>
writes:
>> I wonder how many
>> developed their love of vampires et al through "Dark Shadows" (which I
>> started watching when I was around 12) and carried that over to FK?
For the record, I started watching DS in its original run when I was FIVE or
SIX!
Except for nibbling my wife now and then, I haven't developed any vampiric
tendencies! :D
glw
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 12:38:38 PST
From: Gary L Warren <garylwarren@j.......>
Subject: Re: The Geminis
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:25:26 EST Dotti Rhodes
<104024.3407@c.......> writes:
>> To Mr. Bennett:
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for sharing that speech with us, it is an honor for you to
>> have shared that experience with us and by mentioning us in your acceptance
>> speech, you further validated the tremendous effort so many fans have made to
>> try to keep FK on the air. Thank you so much and again, congratulations!!
A *big* ditto from me with those sentiments as well!! While I had initial
doubts about
Nigel's post, please let me say I express those doubts without *any* flaming
intended. It would be nice if we (or I through private email) could get some
sort of
independent confirmation of his post (sorry for the journalist in me talking!).
Regardless, Teri and I, as BIG FK FANS, wish Nigel and the rest of the cast all
the
best!
glw
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:20:05 -0500
From: Roxanna Reeves <GreyBrothr@a.......>
Subject: Re: Screed
No...a dingo is NOT a wallaby.
A dingo is an Australian feral canid....or wild dog.
Dingos did not exist until after the English came to Australia...they are one
of the reasons there aren't any more Tasmanian wolves...same biological
niche.
GreyBrothr@a.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:25:36 -0500
From: Roxanna Reeves <GreyBrothr@a.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
I've been following the whole "Blind Faith" thread with a great deal of
interest, and a thought occurred to me:
Re: Raleigh
Nick and Raleigh got together in the late 1800's, right? The purebred dog
was generally owned solely by the wealthy, who would certainly notice if one
of their pets, especially one imported from Germany, went AWOL.
So how in the Sam Hill did Nick stumble across Raleigh...a "stray" purebred
Rottweiler? Wouldn't it have been more historically accurate for him to have
been a mongrel?
Just a thought...
GreyBrothr The Dog Fanatic
GreyBrothr@a.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:32:22 -0500
From: Roxanna Reeves <GreyBrothr@a.......>
Subject: Re: Sidney Lambert
Okay, guys, fanfic question.
I came in kinda late, and I never actually got to lay eyes on Sidney...what
does/did he look like? i.e. what sort of cat, what color/markings,etc.
Thanks!
GreyBrothr@a.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:32:37 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Nigel Bennett's post
For the record, I as a former listowner and the current listowners can
all confirm that Nigel lurks on Forkni-l. He has ever since October
of 1993. You won't find him on the roster because, like the rest of
the 36 concealed members, he *is* concealed.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:33:14 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Being brought over
Stephanie writes:
>it could be transmissible through saliva and not just blood, and
>careless vampires could transmit vampirism if they didn't drain their
>prey enough to kill.
Maybe that's what happened with Jack the Ripper. But Nick thought
that Alyce Hunter had died in Dark Knight (he considered her lucky
that she'd died). But Nick also thought that Serena *did* want to be
brought over, but yet we don't see him give her any of his blood (in
fact, Serena doesn't even realize that she *has* been brought over at
first).
I know dog and human DNA aren't the same, but is it possible that there
is some similar cell function in each that the virus would attack that
causes both to exhibit vampire traits? I know in the real world there
have been viruses that have crossed over from animals to humans (isn't
HIV one?). So isn't it possible that the vampire virus isn't species
specific?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:36:16 -0500
From: Roxanna Reeves <GreyBrothr@a.......>
Subject: Re: Screed
Well, if you want Screed subtitles, and you have a fairly modern TV, then pop
your "Fever" tape into the VCR, and set the Closed Captioning function on the
TV set so you can see what he's saying.
Voila! Instant Screed subtitles! And Vachon and Nick and LaCroix subtitles,
for that matter....
GreyBrothr@a.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:48:55 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
GreyBrothr wrote:
>The purebred dog was generally owned solely by the wealthy, who would certainly
>notice if one of their pets, especially one imported from Germany, went AWOL.
>So how in the Sam Hill did Nick stumble across a "stray" purebred Rottweiler?
The compelling dramatic device rears its head again! But here's my guess.
Nick is living in a solitary cabin far from much of civilization, in an
area where people hunt for game. He describes Raleigh as a good hunter.
Hunting dogs do have some instinct, but to be useful to humans, they must
be trained. I figure some nobleman went out hunting with his dog and
disappeared or was killed on the hunt, leaving the well-trained and
friendly Rottie masterless and hungry.
Has anyone read "The Hound of the Baskervilles"? I haven't. How does Doyle
describe the hound(s?) in question? The dog may have had to be a Rottie to
match the book.
Stephanie Babbitt (also a dog fanatic)
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:46:50 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: New presidential candidate.
If LC ran, it would be "Heil, LC!" (no offense intended to anyone).
After all, his "politics" are given in the flashback of a certain
third season episode. :)
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:52:11 -0600
From: "Susanne M. Clark" <sclark@u.......>
Subject: Re: Casting-Star trek Voyager
>I cant think of any of the regulars who would make a goo Jeanette or
>Lacroix-Can anybody else?
I would go with Seska for Janette. She's the former Maquis fighter and
lover of Chakotay who has now defected over to the Kazon camp. The dynamics
between those two are reminiscent of Nick and Janette. Chakotay's new life
as a Starfleet officer doesn't sit well with Seska, who has tried to
alternately destroy her former flame or lure him back into the mercenary life.
Susanne Clark
sclark@u.......
Forever Knightie
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:37:04 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: Fever/Scent in Human Blood
> Re: Scent of Nat's blood Amy wrote:
>
> >I would also insist on a food smell...<snip>... I suspect that Vachon's
> >comparison of Tracy to fruit is mainly psychological. Vampires can't eat;
> >blood is vampire food; vampires may remember food and its delights, and make
> >a psychological connection... Not to mention LC's "wine and honey"
I don't agree with it being psychological; I took it as physical.
When Screed says, "smell her, V-Man, fruit in her veins," Vachon slams
him up against the wall but not before inhaling <deeply> to see if he's
right.
And it fits with other FK lore. We know that vampire senses are
vastly heightened, and just because they've quit eating such things as
apricots and cinnamon doesn't mean they've quit smelling them... quite the
opposite.
If you can only eat one thing -- blood -- your palate may become
very refined indeed for that one food. Palate is mainly a function of
smell to begin with -- for vampires to make associations with other
natural scents, like Vachon's apricots and callalilies with Tracy, makes
sense to me. Lacroix gave a funny send up of an oenophile's description
of a vintage wine, describing the bottle of blood he's brought Nick at
the end of Games Vamps Play.
I mean, I know a Hershey bar from an M&M blindfolded any day. In
fact, I know a KitKat made in England from a KitKat made in the States --
very different chocolate. And I'm a mere human who also eats, however
reluctantly, other things like broccoli....
Ap.
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 15:00:32 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Concealed Members
On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Lisa McDavid wrote:
> For the record, I as a former listowner and the current listowners can
> all confirm that Nigel lurks on Forkni-l. He has ever since October
> of 1993. You won't find him on the roster because, like the rest of
> the 36 concealed members, he *is* concealed.
Well, as Butch said to Sundance, looking down from high rocks at
implacable pursuers... who are those guys?
I know, I know, industry/FK types... I think I'd rather they were
*real* vampires tallying up volunteer take-out dinners.
And how could I leave a possible comment about "concealed
members" untouched?... well, I will. <Tippi, your turn....>
Ap.
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