FORKNI-L
Digest - 9 Mar 1996 to 10 Mar 1996 - Special issue
Sun, 10 Mar 1996
There are 42 messages totalling 1016 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. LaCroix as hypnotist (longish)
2. Fraction Groupings
3. Blind Faith (9)
4. FK Jingle
5. My Silly FK Top Ten List
6. BMV (2)
7. YKYBWTMFKW...
8. Elvis, moles, & tortillas (was:Re: LaCroix as hypnotist (longish))
9. Public Apology (3)
10. quick question about Vachon
11. FK on SciFi only? Wail!!!!!!!!
12. The Vaquero FAQ
13. FK Jingle and Gilligan
14. Why vampires burn up in the sun (8)
15. <No subject given>
16. weekend vamp fest and glowing eyes
17. WCT's ramble on the theory of vampires... (4)
18. Fwd: Con registration and airfare
19. A Cross/Symbol theory
20. Attn: Janette Z
21. Parent Advisory
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:08:09 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: LaCroix as hypnotist (longish)
>...he who survived a burning stake simply because he is "far too old and
>powerful". He don't need no stinking eye-contact!!
I'm with Dottie. I completely bought the "whammie" of the
ex-priest in "SoB." However, Tippi suggested (in the post that started
this) that LC had whammied Nat. Now, when did that happen? Newbieness
leaking out all over, but... if people are thinking that he did in "Be My
Valentine," I have to disagree. I just saw it for the first time last
night (thank you, oh Queen of Smiley-Faces!) and I believe that any
hypnosis -- by LC *or* Nick -- must be taken by implication only.
Obviously, LC drugged Nat (I loved how he toasted her with an empty
glass) through the champagne. However, she was acting a bit dazed
*before* he even popped the cork... and I never heard the "echo" that
usually accompanies a whammy. This bothered me so much, at first, that I
suspected that some editor had reassembled the scene out of sequence. On
further consideration, though, I'm attributing it to the force of LC's
personality, and the confusion Nat was wading through as she readjusted
her mindset (after all, she was expecting something quite different).
In the version I saw, at least, the restaurant scene ends with
LC's departure and Nick's concern for Nat and relief that his bluff was not
called. (Anyone who suggests it was *not* a bluff...!) Then, commercial.
Then, tag at Nick's desk, wherein Nat claims to remember nothing of the
night before -- that the whole day, in fact, was fuzzy. That could be
due entirely to the drug, couldn't it? There's no reason to *assume*
Nick whammied her, unless we extrapolate from her behavior in subsequent
episodes.
Oh, deities of syndicated continuity! Why do you shower your
favor on HL and leave FK to wander in the wilderness of disjointed
character development? :)
It seems clear to me that Nick backed off from Nat in order to
avoid giving LC any more reason to choose her as the target of his
Fleur-revenge. Nat's backing off, however, could be attributed to 1) not
remembering the two nights in question, either because of a) the drug or
b) hypnosis, or 2) remembering, but playing along to protect them both
from LC, or 3) simply backing off because Nick did, whether she
remembered or not.
As a believer in True Love -- at least in fiction :) -- it occurs to
me that LC and Nick actually have a great deal in common in that area.
Letting Fleur go clashed with LC's entire belief system, but he did,
because he loved her. Of course his belief system is entirely different,
but it took Nick eight-hundred years to reach that kind of maturity (even
though he's still the "eternal boy" Janette called him in "The Fix") and
now, with Nat, he has to keep making that same decision -- letting her
go, because he loves her.
***** Amy R. r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner)
"That thereby beauty's rose might never die" -- W.S. Sonnet 1
(The quote is dedicated to LC & Fleur.)
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:13:12 EST
From: Dotti Rhodes <104024.3407@c.......>
Subject: Re: Fraction Groupings
OH god, I can't stand it!!
> *NO*...not a chance...never...nope..it will never happen. I will
> approve a *herd* of Vaqueros when I see LaCroix in a pink thong on T.V
> dancing at the Raven. Did I mention he has to be holding a purple
> feather between his legs the whole time?
This picture is just more than any mortal mind can stand!
Dotti R
Knightie 4-Ever
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:33:25 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Blind Faith
I finally saw Blind Faith, and I liked it more than I thought I would
from reading the spoilers, EXCEPT for the end. I was really disappointed
that the story went for the easy fix. It should have stayed a tragedy,
with Nick having to "take care" of Perry.
If Nick couldn't control Raleigh, how can anyone expect Jody to be able
to control Perry?
Being made a vampire shouldn't be some kind of cure-all for every malady,
either.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:36:45 -0500
From: Andy & Roni Power <bach19@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK Jingle
Hi,
At 01:40 PM 3/9/96 -0800, Ted Atkinson wrote:
>Sung to the Oscar Meyer song:
>The vampire has a first name>It's U n c l e>The vampire has second name>
>It's L u c i e n>He loves to drink blood every day>And if you ask me
>why I'd say...>Cuz Uncle Lucien has a way>With blooDNA
ACK!! Thanks alot Ted! Now everytime I see that cute kid singing
I'll be singing this song. ROTFL!!!
Roni.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Schanke-He's a *Good* cop with *Good* instints.
Become a FoD! The 0+ FoD~*~bach19@i.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:39:59 -0800
From: Amy R. <r......@w.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Katja Stokley wrote:
> If Nick couldn't control Raleigh, how can anyone expect Jody to be able
> to control Perry?
I am not an expert, but I think we expect Perry and Jody to be ok because
of 1) his training as a guide dog, which was apparent in his devotion to
Jody even after he was brought across, and 2) because *he* brought *her*
across, the link might be a stabilizing factor. Anyone have a better
explanation? I wasn't around for the fkspoilr discussion.
***** Amy R. r......@w....... (Knightie-in-training; N&Ner)
"That thereby beauty's rose might never die" -- W.S. Sonnet 1
(I just saw "BMV" for the first time; the quote is for LC & Fleur.)
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:48:14 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Amy R. wrote:
> I am not an expert, but I think we expect Perry and Jody to be ok because
> of 1) his training as a guide dog, which was apparent in his devotion to
> Jody even after he was brought across, and 2) because *he* brought *her*
> across, the link might be a stabilizing factor.
Another thing that bothered me about the ending, which has a tangential
bearing on the above, is why a dog would be able to conceive of biting
his master as a beneficial act. When Perry came back to Jody, his
demeanor was *not* friendly, it was distinctly threatening.
Jody was unable to keep Perry from attacking the police officer who
spilled the drink on her, guide dog training notwithstanding.
Incidentally, does the actress (whose name I didn't catch) by any chance
actually have MS? If not, she was more convincing than any other
portrayal of MS I've seen. If she does, it would explain why the
Jody-as-a-vampire scene was so static.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 17:48:57 -0500
From: "Patricia M. White" <pirate52@p.......>
Subject: Re: My Silly FK Top Ten List
Cousin Shirl -
Fabulous! I laffed aloud!!
- PirATe (a Merc, of course)
>>>>I LOVE NEW YORK<<<<
...better dead than mellow...
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:09:34 -0800
From: Jackie <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
At 05:48 PM 3/9/96 -0500, Katya wrote:
>Incidentally, does the actress (whose name I didn't catch) by any chance
>actually have MS? If not, she was more convincing than any other
>portrayal of MS I've seen. If she does, it would explain why the
>Jody-as-a-vampire scene was so static.
Yes, she does.
Jackie
Support your local Attorney...Send your kid to Medical School!
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:25:05 -0700
From: Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
Hi Katja,
Yes the actress who played Jodi does have MS.
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......
Nat Vamp Camp
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:47:27 -0800
From: Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject: BMV
I just finished rewatching BMV, and I've got a question. This has
probably been discused already, but the pill box Nat gave Nick. What did
it say?
Heather
penni@w.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:42:03 -0500
From: Lindy Cooksey <l.cooksey@g.......>
Subject: YKYBWTMFKW...
you go to an IHL hockey game and have to explain to a friend why
you're laughing at the name of one of the Phoenix player's name... Nicholas
Vachon.
Lindy :)
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:53:06 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
Katja wrote:
:If Nick couldn't control Raleigh, how can anyone expect Jody to be able
:to control Perry?
It was my feeling, especially after Jody's "good dog" comment, that Nick
wouldn't have been allowed the choice/chance of "taking care" of Perry.
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 15:13:17 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: BMV
The pillbox was engraved with the following: "Nick, don't forget to take
your vitamins. Love Nat" This is a reference to the fact that Nick
forests to take his vit. A.
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:46:32 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Elvis, moles, & tortillas (was:Re: LaCroix as hypnotist (longish))
Amy wrote:
> I'm with Dottie. I completely bought the "whammie" of the
>ex-priest in "SoB." However, Tippi suggested (in the post that started
>this) that LC had whammied Nat. Now, when did that happen?
Yes, I was thinking of BMV. I don't know if Lacroix vampire-whammied her, or
human-whammied her, but he did *something*. Drugs? Okay, maybe. Plain ol'
run o' the mill hypnostism? Okie dokie. Alls I know is, there was
definitely some warping of Nat's mind going on and I wanted to suggest he try
this with Tracy so that Nick wouldn't have to be so careful all the time. ;)
I mean, really, do we *need* Tracy to know about vampires? It was good for a
couple of laughs, where Vachon says in HoD something like "she sees vampires
everywhere she looks." Kind of like when someone sees the image of Elvis in
a tortilla in some small Texas town, suddenly everyone's seeing Elvis
everywhere from fridge mold to the mole on their dog's butt. Okay, I got a
chuckle out of Tracy -- sweet little Tracy who had a cat named Fluffy and
probably wears flannel granny-gowns -- believing in vampires. But I'd rather
she *didn't* know. And you know how I make wishes come true? Fanfic!
That's right, I'm a gonna write it. Muahaha!
Wicked Wicked Cousin Tippi
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:07:40 -0800
From: Bonnela Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
At 05:33 PM 3/9/96 -0500, Katja Stokley wrote:
>If Nick couldn't control Raleigh, how can anyone expect Jody to be able
>to control Perry?
Well, I'm not saying that I'm an expert, but I did raise a couple of guide
dog pups (one of whom is now retired and back with me as a pet), so.... I
have to say that there is quite a bit of bonding between guide dog and owner
(the owner must learn to put such trust in their dog) but the training is
very strict for the relationship to really work. Nick didn't really have a
bond with Raleigh, who was just a stray. But Jody had a strong bond with
Perry before, I bet it would continue after they were both brought across.
As for Nick, well, I think he just has a problem with newbie vampires in
general; *not* just the ones *he's* personally brought across. Take Cousin
John in War 2, for example -- Valerie was almost killed while John was in
Nick's care! But fan fic aside, I just think that he is so caught up in his
own emotional struggles that he's forgotten exactly what it felt like when
he was first brought across. Also, Nick had the benefit of a strong master,
but Nick is not into authority like LaCroix is (if he was, he would insist
that the boys in blue call him 'Detective' instead of 'Nick'), so he just
isn't effective as vampire supervisor.
>Being made a vampire shouldn't be some kind of cure-all for every malady,
>either.
Ah, but this is the one bit of canon that has been consistant throughout the
series, isn't it?
Say, does this mean that *all* of the re-runs are off spoiler protection now?
Dona Bonnela, Vaquera
(bonnie@o.......)
"Do you trust me?" -- JDV
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:51:06 -0600
From: Sharon Joy <SJoy@u.......>
Subject: Public Apology
>>Which half?
>
>'behalf'
Sorry if I offended thee. Just meant it in jest 'cause it struck me as
funny and my crazy mind started dividing her up in a variety of
half-ways..... Please forgive me. I meant no harm.
OK, tell me your least fav ep and I promise to watch it 2x as penance.
Forgiven? Thanks. :)
---Sharon
--------Sharon Joy - A Forever Knightie - SJoy@u.......
There's a past and-----there's a past...
Go here: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:01:27 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: quick question about Vachon
Think quick! Catch ya off guard? Goooood. Here's the question. Is
Vachon's name "Javier Vachon" or is it "Javier de Vachon"? Why the heck
don't I know this?? Anyways, it's for a piece of fic I'm posting tonight, so
if someone could let me know pretty soon I'd be ever so tickled.
Wicked Tickled Tippi
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:22:06 -0800
From: Bonnela Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: Public Apology
At 06:49 PM 3/9/96 -0600, Sharon Joy wrote:
>>>Which half?
>>
>>'behalf'
>
>Sorry if I offended thee. Just meant it in jest 'cause it struck me as
>funny and my crazy mind started dividing her up in a variety of
>half-ways..... Please forgive me. I meant no harm.
Oooh, did I come across as that harsh? I'm sorry. I was just tired and
punchy, and not entirely in control of my frantic typing fingers.
>OK, tell me your least fav ep and I promise to watch it 2x as penance.
Okay, if you will watch 'Fever' twice, then I will watch your fav ep twice
as penance for my short-not so witty-temper.
Friends?
Dona Bonnela, Vaquera
(bonnie@o.......)
"Do you trust me?" -- JDV
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:03:08 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, June Russell wrote:
> It was my feeling, especially after Jody's "good dog" comment, that Nick
> wouldn't have been allowed the choice/chance of "taking care" of Perry.
Very good point, although if Nick had decided to press the issue, he
ought to have been able to prevail over either Perry or Jody since he is
so much older.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:04:40 -0500
From: Katja Stokley <cstokley@c.......>
Subject: Re: Blind Faith
On Sat, 9 Mar 1996, Bonnela Pardoe wrote:
> Say, does this mean that *all* of the re-runs are off spoiler protection now?
If I should have posted to the spoiler list instead, I apologise
profusely - I noticed the discussion of Sons of Belial and assumed it was
okay.
Katja Stokley -*- cstokley@g.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:07:45 -0500
From: Mindja Manners <DrManners@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK on SciFi only? Wail!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 96-03-06 21:28:48 EST, you write:
>But people keep saying that constantly pestering your cable company
>proves fairly affective...worth a shot. After all, after some of the
>people we've been hounding so far this year, a few measley little cable
>companies is nothing.
>
>
Do you remember in the early eighties..... "I WANT MY MTV!" It worked then
and it can work now.
DrManners@a.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:11:04 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Public Apology
On Mar 09, 1996 18:22:06, Sharon J. and Bonnela wrote:
>>>>Which half? >>>'behalf'
>>My crazy mind started dividing her up in a variety of
>>half-ways..... Please forgive me. I meant no harm.
>Oooh, did I come across as that harsh? I'm sorry.
I am half amused by this.
As the dividee in question, please note:
The left side has the arm with all the tattooed rock-band autographs.
The right side has the arm with the FK logo.
You may wish to take this into account when effecting the division.
And if I am in fact destined to split in two like an amoeba... does that
mean that there will be TWO of me to skip merrily from faction to faction?
Oh, goody!
We now return you to your regularly scheduled apology.
--
-----Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>---<NatPakJami on AOL>
----------Cinnamon Natpacker, Ath-otCoS, S.I. of TG(tm)
---------------and clinging to Mercdom by the skin of my teeth
Oh, yeah, and I got this asst. listowner/webgoddess thing going, too.
http://members.aol.com/JamieMR777/NotHomePage.html
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 1996 20:10:08 EST
From: TORREY L HARRIS <Dona_Torrey@p.......>
Subject: The Vaquero FAQ
Can you believe it? I finally got off my....and got the darn thing
done.
So....If you want a copy of the Vaquero FAQ please feel free to drop me
a note and I will send it off to you. Its' not very long.
Dona Torrey
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:48:00 EST
From: Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......>
Subject: Re: FK Jingle and Gilligan
>This is driving me insaaaaane!
>Ok, here's a Cousin's version. ;-)
Hah, I knew this was a Cousinly plot!! Do you guys have any idea what its
like to check your mail in the morning. See the Gilligan FK theme and then
have to drive 170 miles to Jacksonville with that *&@@#! song running thru
your head. It's enough to drive a Knightie crazy!!!(I relize of course that
that is the purpose of Cousins<G>)
Now I have to deal with the Oscar Meyer jingle. STOP THE INSANITY (and no I
don't have a bleached blonde, buzz cut)*snort*
Maryann - the Knightie with a Nattitude majorge@i.......
* Knightie, Natpacker , N&Ner, Dark Nattie, Paris-ite, Janewayan *
********************************************************************************
And I have a life ... really ... it involves blond gorgeous men and art pencils.
I'm a renagade, rebel, and rogue!!
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:10:35 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Why vampires burn up in the sun
Jason asked:
> I was just thinking, what makes the vampires skin ignite in
>flames when the sun hits it? Is it some kind of rays from the sun, or is
>the oxygen combined with the sun, any taugth/comments?
Okay, everybody, brace yourselves: here comes Stephanie's theory of FK
vampirism, developed during many boring meetings, slow workdays, long
commutes, etc. This is the Reader's Digest version (you'll have to read my
soon-to-be-posted debut fanfic to get the whole thing).
The vampire condition is biological. The vampire is a genetic human being
with an extra chromosome. The genes on this chromosome provide the vampire
with the capacity to transfer information across neural paths at a rate and
accuracy unprecedented to normal humans. The vampire also can use a much
higher percentage of the brain than normal humans. The consequence of this
improved ability is a sensitivity that causes stimuli to overwhelm the
body's capacity to regulate and process it. The sun provides a triple dose:
light, heat, and radiation. The vampire's cells cannot process this many
intense signals at once and still protect the body. The molecular activity
in exposed cells accelerates so dramatically that the liquid in the cell
boils, and the cell wall explodes. The water (or blood) in the cell
evaporates instantly, leaving more flammable components to catch fire.
Are you sorry you asked? I'd love to see other people's ideas.
Stephanie
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:10:22 -0800
From: Wendy Marie Christensen <wendy@i.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun
> intense signals at once and still protect the body. The molecular activity
> in exposed cells accelerates so dramatically that the liquid in the cell
> boils, and the cell wall explodes. The water (or blood) in the cell
> evaporates instantly, leaving more flammable components to catch fire.
I like this....think I could convince my prof it would make a great term
paper?.....One question....how is the information of the chromosome
passed along....you are born with that info....and Vampires arn't born
Vampires.
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:14:32 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun
Even though I know nothing whatsoever about biology, etc... I like the
idea of vampirism being caused by a virus. From what I've heard, a virus
might account for many of the symptoms, as well as the transformation of
human cells into something-other-than; and considering the fact that the
virus bestows a certain telepathic capability (it has to: vampire flight
can't be explained by anything other than telekinesis: they have no wings,
and are not aerodynamic) it's not impossible -- strange, but not impossible
-- that the little problem with crosses and religious symbols has to do
with the psychic/spiritual energy invested in such objects.
Anyway, that's the theory I operate under, for what it's worth; it works
for me. <g>
--
-----Jamie M.R. <immajer@p.......>---<NatPakJami on AOL>
----------Cinnamon Natpacker, Ath-otCoS, S.I. of TG(tm)
---------------and clinging to Mercdom by the skin of my teeth
Oh, yeah, and I got this asst. listowner/webgoddess thing going, too.
http://members.aol.com/JamieMR777/NotHomePage.html
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 19:44:49 -0700
From: Gay Eckes <raven@r.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun
At 09:14 PM 3/9/96 -0500, Jamie M.R. wrote:
>Even though I know nothing whatsoever about biology, etc... I like the
>idea of vampirism being caused by a virus. From what I've heard, a virus
>might account for many of the symptoms, <snip>
And if I remember my biology (it's been awhile), viruses are sensitive to
heat. The body's fever reaction to infection, or raising the ambient
temperature high enough, will kill many of 'em (or stop their replication).
Just my $.02 worth . . . Later,
Gay Eckes raven@r....... gdeckes@i....... gdeckes@c.......
>> Life's too short . . . <<
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:43:52 -0500
From: colin paddock <Claudius@n.......>
Subject: <No subject given>
Ok,
I just saw Blind Faith again, and it said that a Kerosh (sp??) is a
lower form of a vampire that feeds on rodents. When nick was talking to
screed, screed mentioned that Keroshes (once again sp?) have been know to
feed on cows. But doesn't nick drink cow? What then is the diffrence between
real vamps and Keroshes (How the @$$& is that spelled???) if it is not what
they feed on?
thanks
Cp-
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 20:34:26 PST
From: Gary L Warren <garylwarren@j.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun
On Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:14:32 -0500 Jamie Melody Randell
<immajer@p.......> writes:
>> Even though I know nothing whatsoever about biology, etc... I like the
>> idea of vampirism being caused by a virus. From what I've heard, a virus
>> might account for many of the symptoms, as well as the transformation of
>> human cells into something-other-than; and considering the fact that the
>> virus bestows a certain telepathic capability (it has to: vampire flight
>> can't be explained by anything other than telekinesis: they have no wings,
>> and are not aerodynamic) it's not impossible -- strange, but not impossible
>> -- that the little problem with crosses and religious symbols has to do
>> with the psychic/spiritual energy invested in such objects.
Since when DON'T vampires have wings and/or become vampire bats? "Classical"
media vampires such as Dracula and Barnabas Collins from both versions of
DARK SHADOWS transformed into bats. So did the guy in the 1984 movie FRIGHT
NIGHT. And it's never been (to me anyway!) absolutely shown that Nick stays
in human form during flight.
(Gee, wouldn't it be a cool, but impossible, fanboy/girl fantasy for a
crossover/team-
up between Barnabas and Nick, with Janette and Angelique in a catfight on the
sidelines? ;D)
glw
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:54:34 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun
Jamie writes:
>considering the fact that the virus bestows a certain telepathic
>capability
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. You're not trying to
say the *virus* itself has telepathic capabilities, are you? I'm
a liker of the virus theory too, but I think that what it does is
awaken processes in the human brain that are dormant in most humans
(and yes, I think flight is telekinetic or psionic).
Nat says in The Fix that Nick has an "extra nucleotide" or something
like that--at any rate, there is an *observable* *physical* genetic
change in Nick's blood cells, which supports (at least in my mind)
a physical cause like a virus that creates the FK vampire. My
husband thinks it's possible for there to be a "supernatural virus"
and that any cure of Nick would have to be both scientic and
supernatural in nature to work. I don't know that I agree with that.
As for Stephanie's comments, perhaps it is not that there is an extra
chromosome so much that the virus activates normally dormant genes
(probably moreso in the brain). I like the theory about why the sun
burns though.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:55:39 -0500
From: colin paddock <Claudius@n.......>
Subject: weekend vamp fest and glowing eyes
Hi all,
this up-coming weekend i'm planning on haveing a vamp-fest, and i'm
going to stay up all weekend, watch every FK i have on tape, and rent the
lost boys, fright night, and every vampire movie i can find, but the problem
is that i do not know of any, so i people can private e-mail me and help me
out, i would be very thankfull.
And so i do not waste the use of this mailing list, here is
something for everyone to think about.
On "HoD", at the end, Vachon looks over at a female vampire in a
mask and her eye's light up. Can vampire's eyes light up like that? And why
was everyone in masks? Was it mask night?
Cp-
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:10:18 -0500
From: Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun
Re my vampires-in-the-sun theory, Wendy Marie wrote:
>I like this....think I could convince my prof it would make a great term
>paper?.....One question....how is the information of the chromosome
>passed along....you are born with that info....and Vampires arn't born
>Vampires.
So glad you asked! Here's where we have to suspend belief a little bit. My
theory says that vampire blood acts as the supreme delivery vehicle for
gene therapy. Have you heard about how doctors are treating patients with
cystic fibrosis (an inherited, genetic disorder) now by having them inhale
solutions loaded with genetically altered cells? The altered cells take up
residence in the lungs for a period of time and produce normal mucous. The
ultimate goal of this type of research is to develop a delivery mechanism
that will insert the "correct" DNA into the host's cells, thereby
overriding the genetic disorder.
So here's your scenario. FK vampire bites mortal, removes a significant
amount of blood, then introduces his/her own blood to the mortal. The
mortal's body, blood-deprived, frantically uses any liquid in the body to
counter the dehydration and impending death, and the vampire's blood is
circulated quickly. These blood cells somehow transfer their DNA into the
mortal's cells (much like a virus--Nat's on the right track there), and
since the vampire's cells reproduce and repair themselves *much* faster
than mortal cells, the mortal's DNA becomes predominantly vampire in a
fairly short period of time. The more vampire blood the human gets, the
faster he/she becomes a strong, viable vampire.
Y'all ready to ship me to the funny farm yet?
Stephanie
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:04:59 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: WCT's ramble on the theory of vampires...
Someone asked why do vampires turn into flambe in the sun. My answer:
I don' t think it's a virus: a Virus doesn't make your teeth grow real fast
then retract back into your head. I don't think it's genetics unless you
somehow get nanobots involved (to altar the genetic code) and I don't think
there were a lot of nanobots running around in LC's Pompeii heyday.
The truth is that most literary vampires are contradictory beings. What I
mean is, if you like the biological explanation, then how do you explain the
vampire's aversion to religious symbols?
On the other hand, if you like the religious curse explanation (ie., God (or
gods) cursed them by making them flammable and forcing them to drink blood),
then why do they get so many *benefits*? What kind of curse comes with 1.
long life, 2. extra-sensory powers, 3. the ability to fly (or levitate), and
4. superhuman strength??
But then, if you like to think that vampirism is a *gift* bestowed by God (or
gods or devils), then why does the *gift* come with so many detrimental side
effects like being flammable in the sunlight and having to drink blood?
It's like a Rubik's Cube: as soon as you get one side of the puzzle solved,
the other sides go to hell.
So I'm going to say that the explanation for FK vampires is twofold. They
started out biologically. They were a genetic throwback or advance or
whatever, yay many years ago. They could fly, were strong, etc. But the
thing was, the vampires drank human blood. The gods or God, to even things
out, made it so that vampires could only go out at night when humans were
snug in their safe little beds. To give the humans a weapon, the gods or God
made the vampires averse to religious symbols and, er, garlic. (I hear it
came down to a choice between garlic and lima beans and the gods all hated
lima beans.) To put them on sort of a level playing field... Vampirism is
therefore both a gift and a curse, both biological and religious!
How's that? :)
The theories I use in my own stories and books aren't applicable to FK
because the Aztecs weren't around when LC got brought across.
Wicked Cousin Tippi
(This, by the way, is exactly the kind of discussion that got me kicked out
of Sunday school!)
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:26:33 -0600
From: Kayla Clark <katygale@i.......>
Subject: Fwd: Con registration and airfare
>Forwarded message:
>Subj: Con registration and airfare
>Date: 96-03-08 13:16:53 EST
>From: LaurieCorn
>
>Hi -please post on the appropriate boards. Thanks!!
>
>--Laurie
>
> A kind list member - who asked to remain anonymous about this - suggested
>that I tell everyone that there is an airfare war right now, so see if you
>can get good con fares!! Call soon. We are leaving for Phoenix today
>(weather permitting) and have a round trip fare of $227
>
>Also, if you haven't registered for the con, do so soon. We have very strict
>numbers limits!
>
>Please e-mail me or Syndicon@a....... if you have questions.
>
>And, please forward this post to whomever might need to see it.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--Laurie [lauriecorn@a.......]
"Cousin" Kayla E-me at katygale@i......., katygale@a.......
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http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Wouldn't you know, "Nowhere Man" is in trouble now, too!!
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:48:40 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Why vampires burn up in the sun
Gary Warren writes:
>(Gee, wouldn't it be a cool, but impossible, fanboy/girl fantasy for a
>crossover/team-up between Barnabas and Nick, with Janette and Angelique
>in a catfight on the sidelines? ;D)
Why Janette and Angelique in a catfight? It would be more interesting
if LC and Angelique interacted, especially seeing as they're alike in
their aims to keep their creations vampires. :)
And Nick has been shown *several* times (mostly in first season) flying
in human form (levitating too). In the episode with the psychic (I'm
drawing a blank on the name) from first season, she's shot and Nick
is shown trying to fly her to a hospital (but she dies before they
get there). Kind of hard to carry someone if you're a bat. ;)
If you haven't seen first season, the first ep of second season,
Killer Instinct, has Nick flying off at high speed on the trail of LC.
They used footage from a first season ep to do that though. I don't
think they've shown Nick actually flying in third season. But it
*has* been established that FK vampires fly in human form in first
season.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 03:53:14 GMT
From: Hilary Doda <katya@i.......>
Subject: A Cross/Symbol theory
I was reading through the posts about burning and sunlight when Jamie's
comment about crosses and spiritual energy caught my eye...
There was a discussion a while back about why religious symbols affect
non-believing vamps (the Raven daggers in Blackwing on Nick, crosses on
LaCroix, etc.) What if the power of the symbol has nothing to do with the
belief of the attacked, and nothing to do with the belief of the attackee,
but with the belief of the person who *made* the symbol...so, for instance,
the Raven daggers, which were probably made by a Shaman would hurt, while
those silly plastic and rhinestone rosaries sold in dime stores would do
squat....
As my Civs teacher would say, Discuss.
Dona Katya
* Raven * X-Phile * FFFROGie * Crusader * Mother of the WCP *
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:22:46 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: WCT's ramble on the theory of vampires...
Tippi writes:
>a Virus doesn't make your teeth grow real fast then retract back into
>your head.
Ah, but is that what happens? Maybe the fangs are a visible projection
of psychic energy and not real "physical" teeth at all. Or an illusion.
But your theory was interesting.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 22:32:49 -0800
From: April Ruskin <aruskin@e.......>
Subject: Re: WCT's ramble on the theory of vampires...
Sandra Gray Wrote:
Maybe the fangs are a visible projection
> of psychic energy and not real "physical" teeth at all. Or an illusion.
If the fangs were not physical, but psychic manifestations ("Hello, my
name is April Ruskin, the walking thesuras.), how can vampires bite
people well enough to get to the jugular vein and drink their fill?
(I have no real knowledge about dentistry, maybe human teeth are strong
enough to do it. Anyone know?)
"We are the Knights who say... NI!!... You may not pass, unless you bring
us... A Shrubery. If you do not bring us a shrubery, we will... say NI!!"
"Oh Knights who say NI!!, you are fair and just, and we will fetch you a
shrubery,"
"Oh, but do get one with a border... and do make it nice."
close.)
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:43:46 E
From: Debra Ann Fiorini <fiorini@m.......>
Subject: Attn: Janette Z
Sorry to send this to the list but I lost Janette Z's address.
Janette Z, please email me at fiorini@a.......
I talked to you in private email about a tape you made and you
sent me info but I accidentally deleted it along with your email
adress.
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 00:11:13 EST
From: TORREY L HARRIS <Dona_Torrey@p.......>
Subject: Re: WCT's ramble on the theory of vampires...
April Ruskin writes,
>How can vampires bite people well enough to get to the jugular vein
>and drink their fill?
>(I have no real knowledge about dentistry, maybe human teeth are
>strong enough to do it. Anyone know?)
Human teeth are definitely capable of getting to the Jugular Vein. I
work in a ER and let me tell you I have seen human bites that would
make your head spin. My guess is that they would go for the Carotid
artery..it is very close to the surface and it pumps the blood out for
ya! <G>. Kinda like a soda fountain...only for vampires <vbg.>.
Dona Torrey
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:17:37 -0600
From: Sharon Joy <SJoy@u.......>
Subject: Parent Advisory
I meant to post this last week and forgot 'til tonight when it appeared on
my TV screen right before FK.
KHTV Channel 39 (Houston's Warner Brothers) displayed a Parent Advisory
Warning this week and last week right before FK came on. It was one of
those full screen, official-like warnings that says "Please be advised that
the following program may contain offensive material of a violent nature,
etc. etc."
Can ya believe it? Sure, these past two episodes TG and HoD are both tres
bizarre. But a bona fide warning! Anyone else have one in their city?
As for me, I'm more offended at Baywatch......
Sure was good to see Vachon again. I liked this episode more this time.
--Sharon
--------Sharon Joy - A Forever Knightie - SJoy@u.......
There's a past and-----there's a past...
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