FORKNI-L
Digest - 3 Mar 1996
Sun, 3 Mar 1996
There are 18 messages totalling 551 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Geminis (2)
2. Revenge is a dish best served from beyond the grave
3. Response from Sony (4)
4. FK and animals ...
5. Geminis Deb???
6. dream cast
7. FK in Dallas
8. FORKNI-L Digest - 2 Mar 1996 to 3 Mar 1996 - Special issue
9. FK Movie Casting
10. EM Ad/NATPE Fund Status
11. Urs on KF:TLC
12. NetRatings for Forever Knight
13. My casting choices
14. Gratuitous contribution to Top 10 lists
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:58:25 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Geminis
On Mar 03, 1996 11:18:14, '"Nigel M. Bennett" <102371.674@c.......>'
wrote:
>Just to let any of you who did not already know, I won the Gemini for
>best performance by an actor in a supporting role in a series for my
>performance in Curioser and Curioser.
>I can't express how pleased I am.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(drum roll)
And the award for the Most Major Understatement Of The Year goes to...
<g>
Congratulations. This is the best news we've had in many months.....
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:08:08 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Revenge is a dish best served from beyond the grave
Sherri Lynn Godsey wrote:
>What do you think? I mean, these guys have been pretty harsh themselves...
>besides, if its par for the course, they probably won't even open them.
<Snip>
>they've let everything else wash off their hides without a blink. At least
>it would make *me* feel better...
It probably wouldn't make you feel better for long. It might even make you
feel like you were playing by *their* low-down sneaky rules. I mean, sure, I
felt great telling everyone at my ex-boyfriend's highschool that the guy had
herpes. After all, *he* had told everyone some stuff about *me* that wasn't
true at all. But now I'm kind of thinking, eight years later, that every
time I have a car problem it's because of some damn bad karma I've been
racking up.
"Revenge is a dish best served from beyond the grave."
I think we should be extra super syrupy sweet to these people. We're the
ones who've done everything right and noble. Let's win this game on *our*
terms. Or you can write a revenge story like I did. Man, I feel much
better! Try it! :)
Wicked Cousin Tippi, who *wants* to batter-dip and deep-fry Mr. Feltheimer
and give him to a hill of ants, but won't. Promise.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:20:48 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: Response from Sony
Just a couple comments on the response from Sony I just saw in my digest.
Boy, was that the biggest load of **** you've ever seen in your life?
Especially that baloney about the ratings. As far as I'm concerned, that
letter just added insult to injury.
If they wanted to mainstream the show *why* didn't they promote it (as in
proper advertising, merchandising, etc)?
If they really wanted to keep the show *why* didn't they keep their word
and look at February sweeps ratings like the promised (this bugs me more
than anything else-=we were obviously lied to at NATPE just so we'd get out
of their hair).
If the show was such an economic disaster for them *why* didn't they sell
it when they had a chance?
The editor of SFE, in the blurb at the end of the letters to the editor
about FK said that USA had "concrete financial reasons" for discontinuing
the series. This supports my contention all along that ratings had nothing
to do with the cancellation. Someone wanted "Forever Knight" dead, and it
wasn't necessarily TriStar (reason being they were ready to sell it at
NATPE right up until the end of November).
The only bit of encouraging news is the bit about SFC. They do sometimes
hwo what they called "Planetary Premiere's" which generally constitue
direct-to-video sci-fi B movies but they might be considering producing an
FK movie for that. It would certainly fit in their budget. I suppose
there's an off-chance that thse unseen episodes could be the remainder of
this season despite the fact that they've been aired. Who knows--TriStar
might make a deal with USA. Make a tv-movie, get the fans off our back,
and you can have the rest of season three cheap.
No matter how you look at it this just makes me all the more angry and
determined to stay on their case about this.
Sharon
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:24:15 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: FK and animals ...
Hi .. @e5mnsd damn keyboards are hard to uze whewn you have paws ... all this
discution aboot cats makews me want 2 stand up and say, "What aboot all us
wombats?" Let me introdooc myself, I am Rupert, the Euphoric Wombat (the only
thing Im positiv i spell right). I am Toni mandry's owner. She's a nice
little thing, but not too bright if you know what i meen. I am near-sighted
but extreemlee affectionate (?). I have rather short brown hair (nice and
fun to stroke... ,mm) big brown eyes (that R hid by the glasses) and
adorabl paws that are only sometimes dangerus (like if you get me angry).
Anyways, My pet cant decide b/w the Vaqueras and the Cousins but I think
she'd make a better Merc (i know i wood). The thing is I think all the
nice vampires on FK wood make grate wombats. Think about it! They'd all be
soooooo cuddly, but watch out for those claws! (I meen fahngs).
Could you see me with hair like vachon>? Hmm, maybe not ...
oops! Toni's comin' home gotta go so soryr i meen to leave like thsi without
saying goodbye p[ropr;ly eech shes comin in the door its not like im scare
d of what shell say if shesees me gettin fur all over her computer its jusyt
she doesn't know that i can uze the darn thing. aaaackcckckk!!! everybody
HIDE~!!!!@#@#@
bye
rupert/e.w.
owenre of t.m. you know ... *her*
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:26:06 -0500
From: Marcel Bedard <bedardma@e.......>
Subject: Re: Geminis Deb???
MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN wrote:
>
>
> The award for Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series (for which Deb
> was nominated) went to Patricia Hamilton for "Road to Avonlea".
Patricia Hamilton & Deb Duchene were not in the same category.
Patricia was nominated in the Best performance by an actress
in a supporting role in a dramatic series.
Deb was nominated in the best performance by an actress in a
supporting role in a dramatic program or mini-series.
I just looked a the nominations on the Gemini site and that's
what they said, no words yet on who won.
so anyone know who won in Deb's category??
France
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bedardma@e.......
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:41:08 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: dream cast
Ok bear with me i cant rememebr a lot of names:
Nick: Sean Bean (check him out in Sharpe's Rifles, Patriot Games, &
Goldeneye)Nat: Assumpta Serna (Sharpe's Rifles--strong beautiful woman)
LaCroix: ok ... argh what a toss up Malcolm McDowell or Patrick Stewart ...
Vachon: whoever suggested Christian Bale was inspired but here are my choices...
either Vincent Perez (Queen Margot, Cyrano de Bergerac, Indochine) or
Eric Schweig (who played Uncas in Last of the Mohicans ... yum)
Tracy: Gillian Anderson (let her shape up Tracy)
Schanke: Daragh O'malley (i think that's the name, Harper from Sharpes Rifles;)
Urs: Sharon Stone
Janette: Tamlyn Tomita (she could *really* pull this off)
Reese: no question JAMES EARL JONES (god that man is *the* man)
Stonetree: Graham green (not the author, that guy who played the N.A. cop in
Thunderheart)
Cohen: Rosalind Chao (another fave)
Screed: with hair ... the Irishman Stephan in Braveheart (U could see Screed
having conversations with God)
Bourbon: Daniel Auteil (sp?) see Queen margot
sorry for all the cross ethnic casting but these are my fave actors and i can
totally see them pulling it off
toni m.
wombat in residence
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:43:34 -0500
From: Janis Richmond <jwr@c.......>
Subject: FK in Dallas
Hello!
Is there anyone from the Dallas area that could tell me if FK will be on
there this Saturday night, March 9? If so, when and where. I am going to
be in Dallas just for the evening and would like to watch if time permits.
Any responses can be e-mailed to me privately.
Thanks,
Janis
jwr@c.......
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 12:46:43 -0500
From: "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: Response from Sony
On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, B. Janine Morison wrote:
> Do you think the Sci Fi channel will show US or Canadian versions?
> Since it's cable they might be willing. Oh well, one can dream.
Probably US, especially considering how much USA (which owns SciFi) edits
shows for "content." Kind of hard to believe that the network that
creates "Silk Stalkings" edits out Duncan MacLeod saying "Pissed off."
Alora
<acc0924@i.......>
Natpacker * Nick&NatPacker * Valentine
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:03:57 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 2 Mar 1996 to 3 Mar 1996 - Special issue
And a (lone) vote for Helen Mirren as Natalie. >>
wow. never thought of that. but dont you think she'd do betetr as Cohen
(yes i know too much like Tennison).
toni m.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:07:04 -0500
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK Movie Casting
In a message dated 96-03-02 03:44:33 EST, you write:
>Forgive me, I have no wish to flame anyone, BUT I feel that suggesting
>outsiders for roles in FK is, well, disloyal. Someone has to say this,
>we should stay the course with the cast we know and enjoy.
Of course!!!! I agree, completely. But if you'll notice, not all of the
cast choices are exactly what you would call... plausible. The ones that
are, I tend to delete, because I can't think of *any* actors that can do it
as well as our favorite cast can. Like all the suggestions for Janette...
not one of them (even the ones that are meant to be serious) do the role
justice, not one of them is nearly a quarter of a half as good as Deborah
DuChene.
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved
CO-CFW for Evil MacLeod
Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:11:18 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Geminis
Hi can somebody send me alist of all the winners and nominees for the Geminis?
Toni m.
ma97ad14@a.......
(not all of em just like best actro, actress, supoorting, drama, comedy,series
ect)
argh
rupert's taking over
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:51:25 -0500
From: Roxanne Piccen <RoxanneP@a.......>
Subject: EM Ad/NATPE Fund Status
Is there an update on how much money has been collected for EM and
NATPE to reimburse Laurie? I haven't seen anything on the list lately
and I'm able to send some more money. The most recent info I could
find is from mid-February when we still needed approximately $2000.
Thanks.
Roxanne
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:55:44 -0500
From: Roxanne Piccen <RoxanneP@a.......>
Subject: Urs on KF:TLC
I thought for sure someone would have posted this already. Kristin
Lehman had a small part in Kung Fu on Thursday and she played
"a good cop". She subdued a rapist off-camera, got to wear a couple
of slinky outfits, and didn't have that blank look in her eyes. More
importantly, she got to make out with Peter Caine in KF:TLC. That,
along with get bitten by Vachon, makes her a lucky girl in my book! :-)
I guess there really are only 10 working Canadian actors.
Roxanne
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:25:25 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Re: Response from Sony
Jackie wrote:
> It is my own opinion that helping the FK show "expand into one of
...
>its stars do publicity here in the States on talk shows, news shows, charity
>events, etc., and arranging write-ups in various publications such as
>"People Magazine" etc. USA, Tri-Star and Paragon all appeared to have
Far be it from me to defend TPTB, but I have to add my 2c here. At the
beginning of this season, there was a big publicity push. I KNOW we really
didn't see it, but that's because the OUTLETS were reluctant.
(TJ tries to figure out how to say this without getting anybody in trouble
or starting rumors)
At the beginning of the season (before I was brought across) a close friend
of mine who is a journalist with a major syndicate called me and said that
I could get an interview with GWD if I wanted to, because they were showing
it on USA now and they were in a major publicity push. I told her thanks
for the tip, but I had just recently published the interview I had done with
him at during season 2 so I didn't think it'd be a good idea. But I
understood the show was pretty good, so I gave the reprint a prominent place
on the site.
That was October. Two months later, when all heck broke loose, I called
my friend and asked her whatever happened to the interview SHE had done with
him at that time. Here's what she told me:
First, that her editors had insisted on HOLDING the article -- which was a
cover story, BTW -- until the fate of the show had been decided. An interview
done in October doesn't run until November, and that was getting into
the time when decisions are starting to be made. Afterwards, her editor
had fought to get the story carried, but was overruled by her bosses because
they thought that "there wasn't enough interest". (A journalist friend of
mine translates that as "It wouldn't suck up to the networks enough.")
Eventually, a much shorter version of the interview ran in my friend's
television column, which is syndicated but is certainly no cover story.
I know that's all really vague, but like I said, I don't want to get anyone
in trouble or start rumors, so please don't ask me for more details.
Anyway, I bring this up because I know it's really frustrating and tempting
to lay all the blame on USA, or TriStar, or ANYBODY tangible. But this is
one case where I KNOW they tried.
Now if they had just done some decent advertising, THAT would have been nice!
For what it's worth, I agree that this didn't really have anything to do
with numbers. Basically, it was handled badly and that wasn't taken into
consideration.
To paraphrase the Nightcrawler, we can "play the woulda' coulda' shoulda'
game" all day long, it's not going to change anything.
Just keep bringing people across while we have new eps! Let's see if we
can't blow out whatever ratings we have left. (Never know where those
Neilsen families are hiding!)
----- TJ
Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine: News of the Science Fiction Universe
http://www.cybervanguard.com
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:30:15 -0500
From: Jeff Standish <jestandi@c.......>
Subject: NetRatings for Forever Knight
This Week's Syndicated Episode: #307, Hearts of Darkness
Last Week's Syndicated Episode: #318, Fallen Idol
Season 3 Episodes Rating Max Min StdDev # Votes
----------------------------------- ------ ----- ----- ------ -------
301 The Black Buddha, Part 1 6.85 10.00 3.00 1.44 54
302 The Black Buddha, Part 2 6.95 10.00 3.00 1.47 48
303 Outside the Lines 5.65 9.00 1.00 1.96 40
304 Blackwing 7.74 10.00 3.00 1.51 48
305 Blind Faith 6.52 10.00 1.00 2.18 42
306 My Boyfriend is a Vampire 7.83 10.00 4.00 1.47 49
307 Hearts of Darkness 6.52 10.00 3.00 1.74 41
308 Trophy Girl 6.72 10.00 1.00 1.95 34
309 Let No Man Tear Asunder 7.37 10.00 3.00 1.63 41
310 Night in Question 9.42 10.00 2.00 1.20 61
311 Sons of Belial 9.20 10.00 6.00 1.05 50
312 Strings 6.88 10.00 3.00 1.61 27
313 Fever 9.49 10.00 7.50 0.80 32
314 Dead of Night 8.79 10.00 6.00 1.03 28
315 The Games Vampires Play 7.98 10.00 3.00 1.72 25
316 The Human Factor 8.32 10.00 2.00 2.01 28
317 Avenging Angel 6.15 8.00 1.00 2.03 10
318 Fallen Idol 7.50 10.00 5.00 1.58 10
Number of Episodes: 18
Votes per Episode: 37.11
Average Rating: 7.55
Weighted Average: 7.63
Rating is the average rating from those gathered to date.
Max is the highest rating received.
Min is the lowest rating received.
StdDev is the standard deviation of the collected ratings.
# Votes is the total number of votes counted for that episode.
How does it work?
E-mail me (jestandi@c.......) your vote for a given episode,
telling me the name of the episode and how you would rate it on a
scale of 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest). If you don't know the name of
an episode, you can check out the episode guide at:
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/FK/Episodes/episode_guide.html
I accept votes for the current week's episode, along with all previous
episodes (including those from previous seasons). A listing of all votes
received for each episode is available from the main web page, listed by
e-mail name (full e-mail addresses are withheld for validation purposes).
The current ratings for Forever Knight are posted weekly to
alt.tv.forever-knight and rec.arts.sf.tv, the Forever Knight mailing
list, and can also be found over the web at the following address:
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/jestandi/fk-ratings.html
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:55:49 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: My casting choices
On 2 Mar 96 at 1:54, Sally Williams wrote:
> FK cast from heaven:
>
> Nick: Val Kilmer
> LaCroix: Rutger Hauer or Kevin Spacey
Actually, if wer're going to play the "if time didn't matter..."
game, a younger Rutger Hauer would have been a perfect choice for
Nick!! If you disagree with me, go watch my favorite movie,
Ladyhawke, then come back and argue with me. Go ahead, I'll wait...
Let's see. The actor: blond hair, blue eyes, similar shape of face, similar
build, marvelous voice.
The character: a medieval knight who angsts a lot because of a curse
that prevents him from living a normal life. Sound familiar?
I HIGHLY recommend this film!
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker(ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 07:53:00 PST
From: Christine Hawkins <chawkins@n.......>
Subject: Re: Gratuitous contribution to Top 10 lists
Dianne la Mercenaire wrote:
> *What about the duck-lamp scene?*
> ("Ususally homicide" and all ;-)))
Of course, but I was limited to *ten* scenes.
> Dianne
> Who's worried (but not too much) that she's turning into a full-fledged
FoD...
Don't worry! There are now 'fractions' for people wanting to turn into
'half-fledged' FoDs. A friend of mine Who Lurks has declared herself a CoD
(Cousin of Don). I daresay a Merc would become a MoD (Mercenary of Don).
:-)
Christine
c.hawkins@n.......
(Who really wanted to list her top 100 scenes.)
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:57:04 -0600
From: "Heather Rigby (Goldeneyes)" <Z_RIGBYHA@t.......>
Subject: Re: Response from Sony
YES! Are they really putting Forever Knight on the Sci-Fi Channel? Is this
just my imagination? Imean, Sci-Fi is where I got to see most of the Beauty
and the Beast episodes, idiot me didn't tape, but that's okay. I'd tape like
mad if Sci-Fi was running the episodes.
Heather (Goldeneyes)
z_rigbyha@t.......
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