FORKNI-L
Digest - 25 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Sun, 25 Feb 1996
There are 31 messages totalling 1014 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Why Cousins like LC
2. Thank you!!!!
3. Waves site update
4. Title for Female Knighties?
5. The Vampire Bunch
6. The Different Seasons
7. Adding Insult to Injury...
8. <No subject given>
9. Not leaving etc.... (2)
10. retroactive discontinuities
11. Win? We were supposed to w
12. SPOILER - Last Knight Re: No!
13. Factions/War
14. Closure
15. SFNEWS- Forever Knight authentic props/vehicles for sale
16. seasons
17. CD on Friteenth
18. ADDING ADULT TO OPTIONS
19. Fwd: Fwd: Forever Knight soundtrack - running order
20. opportunities
21. Matt Waters
22. No Last Knight On This List!
23. Ger's play
24. Thanks!
25. Fwd: Re: FK Soundtrack info
26. FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Feb 1996 to 25 Feb 1996 - Special issue
27. loop 110
28. KYW-TV Response - PLEASE READ
29. Sharing our sorrow(long post)
30. Win? We were supposed to w
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:17:52 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Why Cousins like LC
On Feb 24, 1996 07:31:27, 'LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>' wrote:
>There are a lot of reasons why Cousins like LC and they have
>nothing to do with power. <snip>
>If nothing else, LC is totally, brutally honest with himself.
Hi, Laurie!
You mean, like LaCroix's 800-year-old infatuation with Fleur, a woman he
hardly knew yet convinced himself he was in love with?
Or do you mean his insistence that his blatant concern for Nick's welfare
was nothing more than "paying his debts"?
You mean, THAT sort of total self-honesty?
--
Jamie M.R. (immajer@p.......)
Bright shiny happy bouncy Natpacker!
Asst. Listowner, FORKNI-L/FKFIC-L/FKSPOILR
SFK Webgoddess (CuznJamiMR@a.......)
I'M NOT HOME. LEAVE A MESSAGE AT THE BEEP.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:31:40 -0500
From: Wendy Gleason <wgleason@m.......>
Subject: Thank you!!!!
Thank you to all of the wonderful people who answered my question about
the Knight shirts. You all are just wonderful.
Wendy
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:33:50 +0000
From: "Laura W. Petix" <lpetix@d.......>
Subject: Waves site update
Today (Sunday) is the last day to get the Vachon and "Fever" waves at
my website. Starting Monday, I will be putting up waves for another
fandom, but I have been busy recording the requests people have sent
me, as well as lots of other 2nd season waves from episodes that
aired after my initial wave recording binge last year, and these will
go up in early March. I have about 50 new FK waves waiting... lots
of Janette, and Nick, and Schanke, too. And LC, *of course*. ;-)
I'll let you know when the next collection of FK waves are online.
And, please, do go ahead and send me more requests if you have them.
Laura Whaples P., lpetix@d.......
Personal Home Page: http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/
Ephemeral Noises: http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/waves/
Lucard's Home Page: http://www.dpcc.com/dpcc/assoc/lpetix/lucard/
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:47:06 -0500
From: Marcia Tucker <ScFiMarci@a.......>
Subject: Title for Female Knighties?
MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR <VQRW76A@p.......> wrote:
>> It's simple. The female Knighties are Damosels. :) Slightly better
than Dames (which always brings Raymond Chandler references to mind for ME)<<
No, no, no... that would just be a version of "madamoiselles" and no, I will
not be that for it makes me think of fainting maidens awaiting rescue by
their Knights.
The proper term would be Dame, and I would like to claim that proudly! After
all, in Great Britain it is a title of great honor just as Sir is. August
female personages of the stage may win that appellation, such as Dame Judith
Anderson who performed a creditable Hamlet in a performance I was fortunate
to see when in high school. And I' ve heard of it used in some cloistered
convents as a title for finally professed nuns in England - a badge of honor,
to be sure. Okay, okay, I suppose it's also a version of "madame" (there
goes that argument) and I know the term is less than august in the US, but...
I like it. Nuff said. I like the idea of restoring honor to a once proud
title anyway, and Knighties are into honor, so... term me:
Dame Marcia
Dark Knightie / Immortal Beloved
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:54:58 -0500
From: "Tammy Pond [Digest]" <nightmist@g.......>
Subject: Re: The Vampire Bunch
Which FTP site can I find this "Vampire Bunch" thing on??
Tammy
Spamming for FOREVER KNIGHT!! The Mad Fax Spammer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Save the Forever Knight TV show! Write nytmist@l.......
or visit this web site (Site name *IS* case sensitive!!!):
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:21:01 -0500
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: The Different Seasons
In a message dated 96-02-24 21:58:52 EST, you write:
>Yeah, but the first and second season also had a couple of episodes that
>weren't exactly sterling.
>
I'm certainly not arguing with that statement!!!!! All you have to do is
re-watch DBTLOTM to find that out. (Of course that's just a matter of
opinion!!!) Basically, while I know not all may agree with me, I thought
that USA had one to many strippers/half-naked females being murdered weekly.
And I also did like the flashbacks in LNMTA but I thought that the basic
plot sucked. (Then again I'm most definitely not a N&Nater, so that could be
part of it!)
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved ^v^
CO-CFW for Evil MacLeod
Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:42:39 -0600
From: Fire And Life Incarnate <NSHEA4371@a.......>
Subject: Adding Insult to Injury...
Date sent: 25-FEB-1996 01:37:13
How many times are we gonna get the auction notice about Nick's caddy?
I burst into tears when I saw the first one (and got chewed out by my
parents 'cause of it, too!) If I had the money, to actually bid on
the car, it wouldn't bother me. I am SOOO depressed now. :..(
Anybody wanna join me at a pity party?
Dark Phoenix
NSHEA4371@a.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:55:27 -0500
From: Judith Freudenthal <JudithF955@a.......>
Subject: <No subject given>
er and Catherine's performance in the play Love
Letters?
Judy
JudithF955@a.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:23:58 -0600
From: Christy Tucker <ctucker@m.......>
Subject: Re: Not leaving etc....
At 02:01 PM 2/24/96 -0500, Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine wrote:
> (So he missed the
>whole "Uncle in a thong" thread ...)
Oh, my, you have no idea how relieved I am to hear that. <sighs with relief>
Cousin Christy
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^
ctucker@m.......
The Road to Damascus: http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~ctucker/
"are you hurt, madam?"
"no sir, i am dead."
"that is serious. may i help?"
-Orlando
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 04:06:20 -0500
From: Deborah Bender <DBendr@a.......>
Subject: retroactive discontinuities
eugenio lobaina: >>What about Lacroix telling Nick in first season that
"I taught Nero the tune, and together we watched Rome burn." Now
Rome was burned around 64 or 65 AD. In season 2 we see Lacroix was
brought across in 79 AD. So [snip] perhaps he was musically gifted
since very young and did this with Nero when he was mortal. I
wasn't on the list for 1st and 2nd season FK so I don't know if this
was discussed.>>
At the time the episode with the "We watched Rome burn," remark
aired, it was discussed as a clue to LaCroix's past. During all of first
season, we were not told or shown anything else about LaCroix's
origins or life before 1228. He was very much the vampire of mystery.
Bear in mind the first season LaCroix is only seen in about two-thirds
of the episodes, and only in flashbacks and Nick's imagination. We
didn't even know his first name (which only heightened his power in
the imagination, IMHO.) There was much speculation onlist at the
time and during the hiatus between seasons about how old LaCroix
was, his birth nationality and what he did as a mortal. Karin Welss
wrote fanfic in which LaCroix's mortal life was as a soldier named
Menelaos during the Hellenistic era, a pretty close guess.
LaCroix's Roman origin and life dates were not established until the
second season Pompeii episode with to which you refer, so that his
"Nero" remark only becomes a discrepancy in retrospect. I didn't like
the remark even at the time, however, because I thought it was a cheap
shot--pulling in a reference to an event even the most historically
ignorant viewer would have heard of. I like more subtle historical
references (like the ones in Unreality TV), but then I am a history buff.
Your question illustrates something interesting about the show,
which is that the overall artistic impression it makes shifts a little
depending on what order one has first seen the episodes in. People who
start off seeing third season and work back actually see a different
Forever Knight than people who were introduced to the show during
second season, to say nothing of people who saw it in broadcast order
from Dark Knight on, not to mention the people whose first Nick was Rick
Springfield, or the difference between seeing the Canadian first
season episodes right off or after getting familiar with the American
versions. It's a bit like an artist painting the same scene several times
with different palettes.
I stumbled on Forever Knight midway through the first season reruns.
Consequently, I saw the latter half of first season before the earliest
episodes. It wasn't until I joined this list that I realized that LaCroix
was supposed to be dead.
Deborah Bender DBendr@a.......
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 03:36:31 -0600
From: Susan Schaefer <phoenix@i.......>
Subject: Re: Win? We were supposed to w
>Cousine Celeste
>Not selling virtual pictures of a nude uncle 'cos I want to live.
Oh, please? I'll give you lots of chocolate... :)=
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
Cousin "Susan" Phoenix
phoenix@i.......
To be sane is to experience total madness.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 03:33:53 -0800
From: "Toni C. Holm" <tch@w.......>
Subject: SPOILER - Last Knight Re: No!
Sorry for the explosion there -- I just remember saying so many times when
people would talk about if JP really wanted us to stop, if TriStar really
wanted to be rid of us, that there was one thing they could do. I know I
wasn't the only one who thought it, but I hate knowing these things and I
hate it when they come true.
Well I'm determined to make sure one part doesn't come true anyway --
Whatever the last episode holds I'd like to make sure that TriStar is
*never* rid of us -- Not unless they figure out a way to undo whatever
mayhem they have planned & give us movies & more episodes. (And if Kay
Koplovitz thought she was seeing ghosts before...)
Looking for SOS-FK Part 3 ... -- NATPE '97 anyone?
-Toni <tch@w.......>
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:08:15 -0500
From: Catherine A Siemann <cas47@c.......>
Subject: Factions/War
Amy said that Cousins and etc. were noted for a sense of humour, while
Raven/ettes are noted for a sense of community -- while we were
distinctly missing from the sense of humour listing . . .
Admittedly, we were busy winning back the Raven, flirting with Miklos,
drinking, dancing, stealing things, tricking Mercenaries, and telling you
all how well-dressed we were while we were doing it . . . and I suppose
*none* of those actions indicated the teensiest bit of wit . . . uh . . .
Actually, I'd say we're extremely well known for our senses of humour.
As for community, I think we *all* have to cede to the Natpack.
Catherine
Raven/Immortal Beloved
cas47@c.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:11:56 +0000
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: Closure
Something strikes me as really odd about all of this. I've always
heard that producers, networks, stations, etc DON'T want closure.
Apparently the assumption is that fans will not watch a show when it
is stripped if they know how it ends. Hence Sam Beckett never goes
home on QL, Sam and Diane never get married on Cheers, etc.
Are TPTB shooting themselves in the foot out of spite?
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker/FFFROG (ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian, Save Forever Knight Campaign/Almighty Address Goddess
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:04:00 CST
From: Jill Kirby <jtkirby@m.......>
Subject: Re: SFNEWS- Forever Knight authentic props/vehicles for sale
Warning: Language ahead.
At 03:16 PM 2/23/96 -0500, Betsy Vera wrote:
>>>>>2. NICK KNIGHT'S 1961 CADILLAC CONVERTABLE #1
>>>>> (AS SEEN IN THE TELEVISION SERIES "FOREVER KNIGHT")
>>>>>
>>>>>POWER STEERING, POWER WINDOWS, POWER BRAKES, AIR CONDITIONING,
>>>>>POWER SEATS, COLOUR: GREEN, INTERIOR: LEATHER GREEN,
>>>>>CONVERTABLE ROOF: WHITE, HORSEPOWER: 325 bhp
[Language removed]
There. I feel much better now.
In mourning,
Jill
***
Jill Kirby - jtkirby@m....... - http://www.mcs.net/~jtkirby/
NatPack Altar Babe for the Cult of Skinner
"I'm not mooning. I'm obsessing. There's a difference."
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:39:29 -0800
From: Lisa Reeves <ad483@d.......>
Subject: Re: Not leaving etc....
Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine wrote:
> >Wonder if Nigel will stay on? Nah!
>
> Actually, he's not on this list. He's on FKSPOILR. (So he missed the
> whole "Uncle in a thong" thread ...)
He -was- on this list, fairly recently. I've been here since fall, and I've
seen notes. I'm not on the spoiler list.
--
Lisa Reeves @-->--->--- | ad483@d.......
GDFN Help Staff | Mercenary for Chocolate
Save Forever Knight! Site for details:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:57:45 -0800
From: Lisa Reeves <ad483@d.......>
Subject: seasons
'lo all!
I'm a third season convert, and am getting to see some 1st season episodes as
we speak. <thanks!!>
Something hit me last night while watching a couple of episodes. Natalie
-laughed- and it took me by surprise????
Now, I've never thought of her as being particularly morose or depressed.
But, she's quite a bit more "up". Is this the work of USA? Does this hold
true for second season, too??
I've also brought across my 9 year old son, who made me promise I wouldn't
watch the tape without him. I substituted the promise I would -rewatch-
anything with him. <gryn> He's a Knightie; "Nick is -cool-!".
--
Lisa Reeves @-->--->--- | ad483@d.......
GDFN Help Staff | Mercenary for Chocolate
Save Forever Knight! Site for details:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:17:12 +30000
From: Valerie Meachum <valerie@l.......>
Subject: Re: CD on Friteenth
Sorry I didn't answer this when it first came up, but it's been
tech/performance week, and you all know what that means...brain cell?
What's a brain cell? Time? Huh? %-}
Those who said they thought CD was in *both* "Double Exposure" and "Coven
of Darkness" are absolutely right. (You think that's something, Denis "I'm
Too Intense for Mere Mortals" Forest was in FIVE of 'em...)
In "Double Exposure" she was Cathy, Ryan's doomed-girlfriend-of-the-week who
got splattered all over her apartment about halfway through the ep 'cause
that's where she went to call for help after leaving her purse (with her
wallet at keys in it, *duh*, in the bad guy's house.) (SHe has played
several people with her own name, most of whom seem to wind up dead...)
I liked Cathy a lot (until she pulled the dumb/panicked victim stunt of
not going, oh, say, to the cops or to Curious Goods), although she had
some seriously scary mall-rat hair. The character seemed to be about 19,
dressed in very cute trendy miniskirts and such; the Infamous Mall Rat
Hair that you will occasionally see mentioned refers to the 'do where they
poofed up her natural curl within an inch of its life and put a great big
black Madonna bow in it. Scary biz.
In "Coven of Darkness" she was Crystal, the lieutenant to the mistress of
the black coven, and VERY creepy. Total 180 from Cathy. Someone said
she was only in it for a few seconds; it was a bit better than that. She
didn't have very many lines, but some *fabulous* nonverbal interaction
with the big bad boss lady that makes it pretty clear she intends to
replace her. As I understand it, she got called for WotW because some of
the same people made Friteenth and they remembered her from that; this
*must* be the ep they were thinking of, 'cause there are definite seeds
of Mana's "Malzor is SUCH an idiot!" attitude here. She's also very
definitely *blonde* (color, not behavior), even more so than the lighter
highlights we've seen on Nat this season. Jack flipped it on one night
and said to himself "Oh, cute blonde girl...waitaminnit, that's
*Catherine*!" She was also in black leather jacket and mini at one
point, and made up within an inch of her life; looked like a Raven
regular, which is *really* odd. She really does play a fabulous bad
girl; I wish we could see it more often. I'm a loyal NatPacker and of
course love her dearly, and she isn't someone you want to really piss
off; but I hope we get a chance to see Cathy play someone more on the
dark side soon 'cause she really really *can*. Just to amuse ourselves
once (and not that we'd want things different, it was just an academic
exercise), Amy and I were wondering how it would have been if *she* were
Janette...
HOpe this clears things up. Now if I can ever get hold of tapes of _Grand
Larceny_ or _Conspiracy of Silence_ I will be a happy Cathy-fan...
Later!
The Bad Penny * Valerie Lynn Meachum
<valerie@l.......>
We are not numbers. We are not pleased. And we are not going away. FK LIVES!
*Please note change of e-address*
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 10:46:32 -0500
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: ADDING ADULT TO OPTIONS
You need to send a message to jadfe@j....... saying subscribe jadfe Janette
Zeitler (insert your name there) I'm pretty sure that's how to do it, it is
NOT something you can send to listserve!!! (I know for a fact, because when
I tried they changed my name to Janette Z +Adult!!!)
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved ^v^
CO-CFW for Evil MacLeod
Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:00:36 -0800
From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......>
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Forever Knight soundtrack - running order
Having received permission from Buz Banzai to post this to forkni-l:
---- Begin Forwarded Message
To all interested parties, this is the running order for the upcoming
CD release of Forever Knight. I apologize again for the relentless
delays this CD has gone through in getting completed.
Forever Knight
Final CD Running Order
1. FOREVER KNIGHT Main Title
2. THE HUNGER - Vocal: Lori Yates
3. Nightcrawler #1 "What a wonderful thing Humanity is..."
Nigel Bennett
4. DARK KNIGHT - France 1228/CHERRY BLOSSOMS - The Ambush
5. Suite From QUEEN OF HARPS
* Harp Vocal(Lori Yates)/Flashback #2
* The Interrogation/The Connection
* Johanna Finds The Harp
* Johanna In Danger/Nick Flies/Harp Attack
6. Suite From THE HUNTED
* The First Murder
* POV of Danger
* VampireView/The Confrontation
7. NICK'S PIANO THEME - Geraint Wyn Davies/
Suite From FORWARD INTO THE PAST
* Flashback 1953/Nick & Natalie
* The Killer Stalks Nick
* Nick And Kathleen
8. BLACK ROSE - Vocal: Lori Yates
9. Suite From AMATEUR NIGHT
* Playground Violence/The Chase
* Alix And The Kid/The Actress Escapes
10. Nightcrawler #2 "If you love something, let it go..."
Nigel Bennett
11. Suite From BE MY VALENTINE
* The Valentine Murder
* Nat's Gift/Nick and Natalie
* Lacroix Spins The Web
* Nick Flies/LaCroix And Natalie
12. FATHER FIGURE - Nick's Lullaby to Lisa
13. Suite From DARK KNIGHT (Pilot)
* Alyce Drives Up
* The Siege/Nick Attacks
* Lacroix and Nick
14. Nightcrawler #3 "You would do well to avoid me..."- Nigel Bennett
15. TOUCH THE NIGHT - Vocal: Lori Yates
16. AVENGING ANGEL - Time Stands Still
17. CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER - Nick and Janette
18. Suite From UNDUE PROCESS
* Natalie Cries/Natalie Sneaks
* The Final Face-off
* The Graveside Goodbye
19. Suite from A MORE PERMANENT HELL
* Lacroix's Flashback
* To Save Natalie
* Vampire Fight
20. BABY, BABY - CN Tower Finale
21. Nightcrawler #4 "Only one thing is permanent......Me"
Nigel Bennett
22. DARK SIDE OF THE GLASS - Vocal: Lori Yates
Orders will be taken soon. The manufacturing process is under way.
Buz Banzai
Buz Banzai@a.......
---- End Forwarded Message
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:21:46 -0500
From: Janette Z <Janette92@a.......>
Subject: Re: opportunities
In a message dated 96-02-25 08:07:42 EST, you write:
>I'm a third-season newbie who just saw Trophy Girl for the first time last
>Thursday night/Friday morning/whatever, and I'm still in a swivet. I
>absolutely *loved* this episode! It was a wonderful dose of Vachon, which
>was helpful since I've been dying slowly of withdrawl. It was full of
>light-hearted interactions among the characters, which aren't present in
>many third-season eps. It was well populated with good guest acting.
Yes, but you are a third season newbie, no offense intended. And while
there have been no episodes any season that I absolutely *hated* I have to
say Trophy Girl comes close, if it wasn't for the side story with Nick and
the psycho in jail. Yes, it was full of light-hearted interactions, which I
guess this is a matter of opinion, but I don't like. I don't like FK
*light-hearted*, because I don't think that's what the show should be about,
oh how cheerful the vampire is with all his mortal partners! <Groan> Sorry,
but I like the show better when it's a bit more serious.
Also, yes TG did have good guest acting, I agree. Also, TG did have a
lot of Vachon, which I guess is good. He's not exactly my favorite character
though. Truly I wish there had been a bit more LaCroix in it, (then I wish
there was more of him in every episode!) So, I guess it's all just a matter
of opinion.
Ravenette, Immortal Beloved ^v^
CO-CFW for Evil MacLeod
Richie Reservist,
Janette92@a.......
"We have waited centuries for this moment. The rivers will flow with the
blood of those who oppose us." --Kane, suspected leader of the Brotherhood of
Nod.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:30:26 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: Matt Waters
:Chances are this this is a stupid comment, but did anyone know that JP also
:does Matt Waters, the new show on CBS. Maybe he grew tired of FK and decided
:to do Matt waters.
:CP
Just because he has gone on to a new show doesn't mean that he's tired of it
(which for all we know he could be). Keep in mind that Gene Roddenberry, who
was well known to love Star Trek, was already writing out new ideas (during
the last season especially, I suspect) and fairly quickly put out new
pilots. It's a matter of business. They have to keep producing or they don't
have food on the table or roof over their heads.
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:06:00 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: No Last Knight On This List!
Okay, guys, speculation is running rampant, and rightfully so...
...but ALL speculation regarding the final episodes of this season should
be taking place on FKSPOILR!
If anyone needs subscription information for that list, e-mail me.
I realize that there's a really blurry dividing line between speculation
about the future of the series and specific discussion... and that any
discussion about the SOSFK campaign inevitably leads to contemplation of
the end of this season... but there are people on this list who REALLY
don't want spoilers, and discussions that start out as innocuous often turn
into major spoiler debates, and that shouldn't be happening here.
It's kind of a grey area; so let's all try hard to be really really
careful, okay?
--
Jamie M.R. (immajer@p.......)
Asst. Listowner, FORKNI-L/FKFIC-L/FKSPOILR
SFK Webgoddess (CuznJamiMR@a.......)
I'M NOT HOME. LEAVE A MESSAGE AT THE BEEP.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:22:44 EST
From: MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: Ger's play
I was able to get a lot of information about Ger's play - had a very
long talk with the artistic director of Harbourfront.
First of all, he's okayed us to get a group discount of 15% on tickets.
Secondly, he said the best day to go to the play would be the
Thursday. And there's possibly another reason to be here for the
Thursday, which I'll explain in a bit, after I explain about the play.
The play is part of a yearly theatre festival and, as such, is not
like usual performances of plays. At festivals they usually show
things or do things that are not "business as usual", and Taming of
the Shrew is no exception. The actors don't rehearse with each other,
they only rehearse their >lines< with the >director< separately. Each
actor is responsible for working out their own stage directions and
bits of business by themselves, and they never even see the other
actors until they come on stage together for the first time on the
first evening of the play. That makes the Thursday night the
liveliest, most innovative, and most surprising evening of the three,
since by the next night the actors will have started to get to know
one another and how the other works with them, and that will make the
performances slightly less interesting. By the Saturday night the
performances will be the most "predictable" of all, and thus the
"least" interesting. The artistic director said he'd definitely
strongly recommend that people attend the Thursday night performance.
So far only Ger has been confirmed in the cast. The actress playing
Kate will be chosen this coming week, and the artistic director said
he'd call me and let me know who it was going to be. The other parts
won't be cast until the beginning of April, but the artistic director
said everyone in the cast would be well-known Canadian actors, names
I'd recognize.
Now, as I said previously, there might be another reason to choose
Thursday as the day to go to the play. There's a very, very slim
possibility that Ger may do something else at the festival on the
Thursday afternoon, that we can also attend. I don't want to say too
much because it may not work out, and I don't want anyone to get
disappointed. But it's just something to keep in mind when we're
choosing the day for people to attend.
I do realize it's probably easier for people to get away over a
weekend than during the week, but in this instance I would say it's
really going to be worth it to choose Thursday as the day to go to the
play rather than Saturday.
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!) Via Internet: gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:22:09 EST
From: MS LYNNE R ACKERMAN <GNBV32C@p.......>
Subject: Thanks!
I'm sending this to both the regular FORKNI-L list and the DEBSPLAY
list because I think public thanks are in order for last weekend. A
lot of people worked very, very hard and contributed their own time
and money to bring it all together, and they should be acknowledged.
So, forthwith, my "honour roll" of thanks:
First and foremost to Laurie Salopek who started everything going in
the first place, organized the collection of ticket money and, most
importantly, gave us our own list to do the planning on. Things would
have been immeasurably more difficult without that, and without her
there may not have been a Deb's play weekend at all. Everyone owes
Laurie a HUGE vote of thanks!
To Lana Soward for her gorgeous and professional badges. THREE people
came up to me at the intermission of the play and asked about our
group just because they saw us with our beautiful badges. And you
have to know Toronto (people just >don't< walk up to other people and
ask about things like that) to realize how much they must have been
impressed with those badges! I took the opportunity to tell them
about the show (none of them had heard of it before) and urge them to
watch it and then write to our local syndicator about it...
unfortunately I don't think anyone had any flyers with them at the
church, but hopefully the people will watch the show and feel moved
enough to look up the address and write letters. At any rate, it was
the badges that initially sparked their interest.
To Celeste Hotaling-Lyons for the extraordinary job she did on the
Book we presented to Deb. It was a masterpiece!! (And deserves a
capital letter!) And thanks also for making the black & white copies
for all the contributors...that was really sweet of her...I really
treasure mine. I heard from a third party who's a friend of one of
the other actresses in the company that they were all >enormously<
impressed with us, with the way we handled ourselves, and most
especially with the Book for Deb. Deb of course was overwhelmed with
it...and for good reason! And it's true what she said - this list is
enormously talented, and the Book was just one example of that. (ObFK
reference: TPTB have no idea what power they've unleashed in us <g>!
Their so-called cancellation will crumble like dust in our wake!!)
And thanks to Laurie Cohen Fenster for making a suite available to
everyone for gathering and for watching TV. Even though there were a
few problems with hotel security <g>, the fact still remains that
Laurie CF did make the suite available, at her own expense, and it was
an invaluable addition to the weekend. (The problems with hotel
security were distracting, though, and I'm writing a long letter to
the hotel expressing our dissatisfaction with a lot of things, that included.)
To Jamie MR, Webgoddess, for the Warm Fuzzies she handed out to
everyone. I think the whole weekend was a "Warm Fuzzy", myself, and
so Jamie's Warm Fuzzies were the concrete representation of that. Now
everyone at the weekend can see why the crew loved them so much and
made sure they each "adopted" one!
To Valerie Meachum for the Mardi Gras necklaces and doubloons - the
people on this list are just so darn >generous<...in all kinds of
ways! This truly is the best list of all, and that's because of all
the wonderful people on it.
Thanks also to the drivers who made their cars available for the
locations tour...such as it was <g>. (I guess you had to have been
there to understand!)
And thanks to everyone who participated in the weekend. Without you,
there wouldn't have been any weekend, any celebration, any FUN!! One
of the best parts of this or any other fan get-together is meeting
everyone in person and getting to know them, and I met some of the
greatest people in the world on the weekend - some for the first time,
others I'd had the pleasure of meeting previously.
And my abject apologies if I've forgotten to mention anyone important
(as I usually do). There wouldn't have been as wonderful a weekend
without YOU, either!!
Okay, everyone - now pat yourselves on the back for a job well done!
A message from Lynne Ackerman in Toronto (or, as we like to call it,
"Hollywood North"!) Via Internet: gnbv32c@p....... (preferred
address) or be028@t.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:29:30 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: FK Soundtrack info
On Feb 24, 1996 14:50:48, 'Rebecca Burns <r.burns@g.......>' wrote:
>I wrote to Mark Banning (Buz Banzai@a.......) and I asked him if I could
get a
>list of selections for the FK Soundtrack. He sent the list to me the next
>day. I don't know if I can post it to the list (Jamie? Can I) or if I
>should e-mail privately to anyone who wants it.
Hi, Becky! Thanks for asking!!!
I think part of the problem here is the fact that listmail is dropping VERY
slowly (up to two days behind, in some cases). I'm pretty sure that
someone else... Ted, I think? ... already posted the cd tracklist. I think
I remember it dropping yesterday.
I'm also pretty sure that the letter he got was the same one I got from
Mark Banning -- a form letter thingie.
So what I would basically recommend is that EVERYONE interested in buying
the CD email Mr. Banning/Crescendo at BuzBanzai@a....... -- because if
they're compiling any sort of 'e-mail loop' over there, you'll be on it --
and you'll get the latest data available. (I've been told that a large
volume of incoming e-mail to that address is probably not a problem, so
write away!)
That email address is also available on the Save FK web page, by the way;
and as soon as I get the chance to dig through my old mail and find it,
I'll get the track list up there, too.
For anyone who (unlike me) hasn't already memorized the Save FK web page
URL:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
--
Jamie M.R. (immajer@p.......)
Asst. Listowner, FORKNI-L/FKFIC-L/FKSPOILR
SFK Webgoddess (CuznJamiMR@a.......)
I'M NOT HOME. LEAVE A MESSAGE AT THE BEEP.
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:35:32 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 24 Feb 1996 to 25 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Ok Ok, I have to get this off my chest, I *liked* the episode "Outside the
Lines" for many reasons. One, because it had Callum Keith Rennie in it
(he's fast becoming my fave character actor), and two, because it had an
interesting plot (to my mind) I loved the fact that the guest star was not
completely bad but had a good side. I agree that it had a trashy scenario
to revolve around. But aren't parts of life really trashy.
Oooh, my opinion again, I really dont like the first season (i think it stunk
actually), though I do like Only the Lonely. But then again that's just my
opinion. Although I do likke the 2nd season a lot better then the 1st, to my
mind I wince every time Janette comes on with a hideous hairdo. But I do
like her character (and i love the ep Bemyvalentine). However, even with as
much as I like the 2d season (thanks Nance!), I am slowly going through
Vachon withdrawal. wwwwaaaaahhhhh!!! He's not gonna be back until a couple
of weeks (nooooo!!!). And what's this I hear about BB being difficult to work
with??/
ooh, ooh, gossip!
Toni M.
Ma97ad14@a.......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:58:40 -0500
From: kkr@g.......
Subject: loop 110
Hey, all ...
A few random thoughts ...
I will be glad to fold cranes. I plan to get VERY thin copy paper,
and print it with black-printing-on-white of the FK logo, with "SAVE" above
it -- which will make white cranes with black markings. This isn't the
"official" logo -- close, but I did my own lettering on "FOREVER" as well as
the "save". Might as well up the ante! I will send the cranes to Viper, but
will also make extra to send in the letters to the Japanese SONY folk -- NOT
forgetting to mention that I'm sending most to make a mobile, of course!
I liked Kayla's letter very much, and will adopt some of the
ideas/themes from it. Since Birmingham is famous for our Japanese Gardens
(done by Murai) and authentic teahouse, I might see if I can use something
from that to send them ....
And RE: stripping. Gosh, EVERY syndicated show aims for that! This
is where they make a good deal of their money back. And, as been noted on
AOL, although stripping CAN be done at 65 or 66 shows, the MORE episodes you
have to strip, the MORE money you can make when stripping it ... this might
be a good point to put in the letters!
k, aka karyl ......
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:15:22 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: Re: KYW-TV Response - PLEASE READ
On Feb 24, 1996 09:53:30, 'Valery King <kingv@u.......>' wrote:
>Well, I think this probably sheds some light on TriStar's intransigence
>about doing a 4th season. I suspect from this that they had some kind of
>deal with USA all along to stop after the 3rd season so USA could show
>all the reruns without the competition of new episodes in syndication.
I'm not so sure about that. Ger said at the Weekend that USA bought it
with a mind to hopefully produce a couple of seasons. Also, they were
quite upfront about "Airwolf" when it moved to USA--there was never any
question that that was being done to fill out the syndication package and
that it wouldn't be continuing past that.
Plus my sense from the NATPE reports is that TriStar was *ready* to go with
a fourth season, and that plan got scuttled at the last minute when USA
dropped it.
I do think there's more to this than just ratings. I just don't agree that
the plan all along was to cancel it in mid-season.
In other news, my cable guide ran a little blurb on Forever Knight. It's
very weird that it should show up now. It mentions the cancellations by
CBS and USA, but strongly implies that the fan following has kept the show
alive despite that. I'll post the content of the article later tonight if
anyone's interested.
Sharon
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:10:07 -0500
From: "Susan M. Garrett" <susang@v.......>
Subject: Sharing our sorrow(long post)
Just a brief moment of sharing--
Does it bother anyone else when someone posts a message asking Nigel or TPTB
to respond to something? This isn't their list, this is OUR list. They're
just eavesdropping on our conversation and, from what I gather, this is the
way they want it. We know they scan through FKSpoilr out of curiosity and
ForKni-l, too, but usually in response to an episode; if you're a fanfic
writer, you can understand the hunger for feedback and the need to find out
whether they got what you meant them to get.
Much of the time TPTB don't get a chance to read individual messages until
LONG after the fact, if at all (if they have any sense at all, they're on
digest and weeding one message out of a digest is a ponderous process at
best). So the best way to reach them, if you need to, is through direct
mail or e-mail.
Other than that, vent if you feel the need. The third season is over, sets
are being destroyed, Paragon is closing--it's a wrap. We're going through a
grief process Emily Dickenson described as the 'Hour of Lead,' 'First the
chill, then stupor, then the letting go.' It's exascerbated by the various
bits and pieces we've gotten about the final episode--which won't air for
THREE months.
Until we know for certain, let's not panic. The episode has been wrapped
and post production is being done; we can't change this. What we can do is
gear up for the many events that will be coming up this year, continue to
present ourselves as well-mannered viewers to Sony (which is the only
address accepting mail from us, since Paragon will be closed in Toronto by
the end of this week and I gather LA may not be far behind and TriStar will
have to find somewhere else to forward our mail), let syndicated stations
know that we'd like to see FK stripped and shown not only on USA or SciFi,
tell sponsors that we'd be watching their ads if FK were still around, and
keep FK alive by making it our own.
And it IS ours now. Maybe it won't be ours forever (hopefully we can get
someone to bring it back in the not-too-distant-future), but I, for one, am
inclined to take as much advantage of this as possible. Let's continue to
honor the cast, crew, and staff by contributing to Pediatric Aids and other
charities. Let's fiction ourselves into oblivion. Let's meet at cons to
discuss and debate and laugh and quote list to our hearts' content. This
list has lived without new episodes of FK before and will do so again, but
it can't live without the interest and participation of the people who come
here to share.
So, let's talk amongst ourselves. If they want to listen, they'll get an
earful. But it's <our> conversation. And it's <our> list.
Regards
susang@v....... -- http://www.vitinc.com/~susang
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:32:54 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: Win? We were supposed to w
On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, Amy R. wrote:
Cousins, however, couldn't hang on to *community*
> if it sunk both fangs into their collective neck. (Oddly, Uncle seems to
> have a sense of community (see "Fever") that has escaped his mortal
> minions...) :)
You misunderstand. Uncle has a sense of a community that
*belongs* to him, not that he's part of. In "my people," the operative
word is MY. Big difference, imho. He serves no one...
Ap.
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