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Digest - 7 Feb 1996 - Special issue

Wed, 7 Feb 1996

There are 35 messages totalling 1025 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Are you reading FKFIC-L?
  2. So long
  3. Nick as a mortal: Minority view (3)
  4. Lynn Ackerman
  5. One more spine-tingling topic
  6. One more spine-tingling topi
  7. FK Vanity Plates (2)
  8. New topic?
  9. Nat's Quandary and The Beast Within (2)
 10. Librarian humor (2)
 11. Why superhuman folk hold such appeal
 12. 'Shiv'-er, me timbers
 13. No Life? (4)
 14. Possible spoiler for ??
 15. Anita Blake setting
 16. A Fascinating New Topic
 17. Normal Non-Feature Vampires?; Electronic Media (2)
 18. GWD's Worst Date
 19. New Topic--last 3rd season ep
 20. Mt Royal College Bookstore
 21. Natalie`s quandary
 22. FK on ATV tonight
 23. Highlander
 24. Vachon calender
 25. List Rules 'n' Stuff
 26. Where's the rest

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:47:15 -0500
From:    "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject: Are you reading FKFIC-L?

Don't know how many of you are actually subscribed to FKFIC-L,
but for those of you who aren't, let me tell you something...

You are missing out on some really excellent fiction.

I keep track of the FKFIC-L and JADFE fiction bibliography
and there's been a veritable explosion of fiction. All
excellent stories, especially by some very new writers.
For example, Apache's "In My Life" and Leslie GrantSmith's
"Child Killer" stories. And then there are some of our
oldtimers (no offense guys, you've just been around
longer) like Dianne DeSha who just start posting the
third in her Maeve trilogy, this one entitled "A Little
Knowledge." Ruth Dempsey's "Courage in a Minor Key" was
recently posted (yes, Ruth, you're now an oldtimer since
Courage is your 1 year anniversary post). Sharon Himmanen
is currently making good on a story IOU by posting "On Call."
And of course there are our most prolific writers, James
Kythe Walkswithwind, Jamie Melody Randall, Julie Randolph,
and, of course, Susan Garrett.

There are literally hundreds of authors and I can't praise
all of them here. But if you've been debating whether
or not to subscribe to the list, let me try to convince you.

The posts are manageable length. You can get FKFIC-L in digest
form just like you can for FORKNI-L and FKSPOILR too. And there
are two archives of all the fiction, one on the PSU FTP site
and one managed by Darkangel on her website. You can also get
back issues of stories that were recently posted to FKFIC-L
via some not-to-difficult listserv commands.

I don't think you'll regret it. And if you need help figuring
out how to subscribe, put yourself on digest or regular mail,
or get missing story parts, send me some private e-mail and
I'll see what I can do to help.

Forever as always,

Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette Regardless of the Consequences
gjwalli@m.......
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/fktoc.html

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:01:57 -0500
From:    Sheryl Bottner <NotHoney@a.......>
Subject: So long

Fellow FK fans:

I've been on this list for over a year. In that time, I've read many
fascinating discussions of vampirism as it pertains to "Forever Knight." But
lately, the quality of discussion has hit rock bottom. Most of the
"old-timers" no longer post, and the newbie posts are shallow and dull.

I find myself deleting more messages than I read, so it's time to go.

Sincerely,
Sheryl Bottner
NotHoney@a.......
Ravenette ... forever.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:36:28 EST
From:    Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Nick as a mortal: Minority view

It looks like I'm the only one to hold this viewpoint in the present
discussion. I do think Nick really does want to be mortal and I don't
think he would miss his powers once he'd made the trade.

You see, I have personally had the experience of outliving all of my
family and I've been in a situation (long since over, thank heavens)
where I didn't have any close friends. I can readily imagine that a
vampire might get tired of living with loss. Yes, loss. I don't mean
people, necessarily. There's the loss of everything you knew. For vampires
as old as Nick, even the languages he grew up with are gone. So is
his whole culture. My age is showing here, but I know what it's like
to find as I often do on this and other lists that the givens of
society have done a 180 degree change from the ones I have always
accepted.

Certainly people adjust and so presumably do vampires, but I'd
think a vampire might get just as overwhelmed as a human, if not
more so because they have more change to cope with.

Think of knowing that no matter how much you loved someone at the
time, even another vampire, that relationship was doomed eventually.
We've seen it with Nick and Nat, Nick and Erica in the first season,
Nick and Serena once he brought her over. At least mortals have the
illusion of eternal love if they happen to be lucky enough to die
before the love in question ends.

Then there's children. FK vampires do appear to regard those
they bring over as children, but it's not the same as raising another
human being from infancy, watching them develop into another person
and knowing that what you help that child become may just change the
world for the better.

I don't think Nick would necessarily miss his powers so much that
he'd want to be a vampire again. In previous centuries, yes, he might
regret not being able to fly. In this one he has plenty of rapid
mechanical transportation available. In the present he has considerably
more medical help for everything from a cold on upwards than
before. Remember, Nick was mortal in a century in which the only way
to alleviate pain was to drug the patient insensible and very few
medical cures actually worked. He knows what pain and illness feel like,
so it would't come as a surprise.

As for hypnotism, well, yes, he might miss that one, but I'd think that
it might get tiring to have absolute power. (Or is his absolute, given
the number of times we've seen him fail? <g>) You'd never know if you
could have persuaded the person to do whatever it was on your own. You'd
never know if you personally could have solved the problem without
as it were cheating. Maybe this is one reason Nick seems to have so
many self doubts?

And maybe Nick's just tired of running. Essentially that's what a
vampire does. He might consider that the peace of knowing that some
day you'll get off the roller coaster is worth being mortal. I know
it is for me. In my case it's based on my religion, but notice
that Nick seems to have religious convictions of his own. They appear
to include the immortality of the soul. In Near Death he was told that
if he died now as a vampire he'd be damned. Nobody said anything about
dying as a mortal. In the Christianity that I hold and that Nick seems
to have firmly in his subconscious, all he has to do is accept God's
offer of salvation by the sincere repentance of his sins. There are other
technicalities but I'm honestly not preaching. I'm just trying to point
out Nick's apparent views and how they might prevent him, after regaining
mortality, from fearing death and damnation.

I realize, of course, that I may be wrong. If I am, I'm not going to
know anything about it and neither would Nick. As someone once said,
"The dead do not lie in the grave, lamenting that there is no immortality."

Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:16:00 EST
From:    Laurie Salopek <LMS5@p.......>
Subject: Lynn Ackerman

Please DO NOT EMAIL Lynn for a few days. The fan in her PC died and she won't
have the machine back for a few days.


Laurie

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:24:17 -0400
From:    Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic

Of course, anti-hero's are attractive. As my friend Alex recently said (though
I don't necessarily completely agree with him), prom queens like criminals.
of course, my retort was "what bout us basket cases? Can't we like criminals,
too?" erg. But yes, Rochester, the modern Dracula, Mr. Darcy (all that pride is
rather anti-heroish), Hamlet (my opinion), all those yummy bad boys, or
at least guys you would *not* consider going out with normally (I mean, think
'about it, yes, Hamlet had a reason, but wasn't he just one big jerK? I would
not want to date him until he got his personal problems solved, preferably
without bloodshed ;)This is why vampires are so popular. They are the ultimate
hero/criminal. They kill constantly but do it because they must live. In any
other creature, we would say "Off with their head!"


Toni M.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 07:39:00 PT
From:    Tami Lafrank <tamilyn.lafrank@a.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topi

The J.A.M.I.E.'s!

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:29:00 -0400
From:    Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vanity Plates

> Speaking of which, does anyone out there *have* an FK related vanity plate?
> Or have you seen one that could be interpreted as such.  I need ideas for
> when I get my dream Jeep.
>
> Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
>    Forever Knight FOREVER!

Here in New Brunswick (Can.), most of the license plates start with "B"
-exeptions are personalized, "C" for commercial, "T" for taxis. Anyways,
as Canadian liscence plates are three letters then three numbers, there
are a good number of plates that begin with "BMV" - which I've always
thought of as cool.

Lynn Stapleton
d7ux@u.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:34:56 -0500
From:    Beth Hawkes <Seilidhe@a.......>
Subject: New topic?

Hi all,
    Someone threw the gauntlet asking for new topics, so here are a few
questions for you.  (Mind you, I've only been subscribed to this list for
less than a year, so I don't know if any of this has ever been brought up
before.  If it has, I apologize).
     These are ideas that have crossed my mind from time to time since I used
to watch _Dark Shadows_ mumble, mumble years ago.  And now I wonder about
them in regards to Nick's quest for mortality.
     What happens to Nick's 800 year old body if he does become mortal again?
 I thought it was the blood he imbibes that keeps the body in the shape it
was when he was brought across.  If he became mortal again, would he start to
age at a normal rate? Or would the aging be rapid, ala Mel Gibson in that
movie he did a few years ago that I can't remember the name of right now?  Or
would the 800 years catch up with him immediately and would his body turn
into dust right then and there?
      I know we saw him in The Fix and he didn't just dry up and blow away,
but then the cure was incomplete and, eventually, a failure.  What if the
cure was real?  What do you think?
      Sorry if this is a bit incoherent -- I work the "graveyard" shift and
have yet to go to bed today.  I'm going now, thank you.
                                              Beth
                           Seilidhe@a.......  (Cousin in training)
         Visit:  http:/members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
                  Flagwaver for Smokin' Joe Dawson; Phans of The Michael

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:50:34 -0500
From:    Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: Nat's Quandary and The Beast Within

Allison Percy writes (brilliant post snipped):
>Mikies (those Miklos followers):  The beast within would like
>a Mai Tai.

ROTFL!!!  Tami, am I ever gonna be free of what I did to you and "Miki",
whatever it might exactly be? <G>  (It's a War Five reference, for those who
didn't participate).  Now I see from the chat logs on AOL that even Gillian
Horvath "knows" what you and I did to her Miklos--- and I *still* don't know
what I actually meant!!!  *Put me out of my misery*, Tami!

Chana writes:

>So what would we (the viewer) have Nick do to prove that
>love? [for Nat]
>        Spend time with her?  He does.
>        Save her life a few times?  He has.
>        Tell her he cares for her?  He does.

I, for one (Surprise!  groans the list <G>), can think of a couple more
things Nick could do for Nat, *if* he really truly loves her in the truest,
fullest sense of the word.  (And no, I'm not saying he has to do them
*non-stop*:  but, in the first case, surely he could do it more often than
twice in three years.)

1.)  Take her out, *in public*.
What kind of a relationship is it if he has almost never taken her out and
showed her off?!  Usually, people who are in love with someone, *like* other
people to see the beloved individual.  They are proud of them, and want the
world to know they have such a wonderful person in their life.  Well, why
does Nick almost always skulk around with Nat indoors, as though he's hiding
her or is embarrassed?  (And please, don't anyone say 'Enforcers'.  As I
mentioned before, Nick's taken Nat out about twice in three-four years.  He
could be willing to risk it a *little* more often than he does.  Twice a
year, even.  Nick and Nat could at least get into a movie theatre without
being staked or stalked.  It could even be a monthly date out between
friends.  They don't have to hold hands on the street.  LaCroix's certainly
not likely to give them away.)  It would surely make for scenes a heck of a
lot more interesting, too, if we were able to occasionally see at least one
of Nat's friends run into her and Nick and ask some embarrassing questions.
 Put Nick on the spot, already, writers!  He met Nat and the would-be rapist
outside on the street oh so conveniently in OtL, what would be wrong with him
occasionally taking her *out* of that apartment and away from that VCR to an
actual midnight matinee?  Or to dinner?  No, he only takes her when he wants
to taste food (i. e. The Fix).  What's the problem?  He's surely wealthy
enough.  What is he, a cheap date? Eight bucks at the Canadian equivalent of
Blockbuster Video and he's in like Flynn?

2.)  Say, "*I love you*.

No ifs, ands, or buts.  "I care about you" is not acceptable in this case.  A
lot of men have said they care about me, but never said they loved me:  this
means almost nothing.  Would any of us truly feel predisposed to, say, marry
someone (and Nat's been contributing to Nick for about four years now;  that
is longer than a few marriages) who said, "Hey, I really *care* about you;
 do you want to join your life with mine irrevocably and vow to love, honor,
and cherish me till death do us part in return?"  Man, if I had the kind of
wimpy, lukewarm reaction Nick gives Nat, I'd be out the door!  I have, much
to my shame in the past, taken a lot of guff in order to be with a particular
guy;  but just because I was able to rationalize away what I was doing at the
time, thinking it didn't mean all that much to me as long as I could get a
tiny part of what I really wanted with this person, doesn't mean it was
*right*.  It didn't mean I didn't bitterly regret it, after my time was up
and I failed to get any kind of level of feelings from the man that
reciprocated my own.

Talk is cheap.  Actions are what counts.  So Nick has saved Nat's life.  I'd
think really poorly of him if he didn't.  Some of us thought fairly poorly
even when we watched him watch Serena drop her mortal boy toy from forty-odd
feet off the ground and do nothing to save this stranger's life!  I think
he'd even feel duty-bound (and something more, of course) to save LaCroix'
life.  That doesn't make LaCroix Nick's love.

(BTW, Chana, please don't feel picked-on, that wasn't my intention--- I
believe you said that was your first post, no?  Don't worry, you're not the
only listmember who has the same point of view you espoused, albeit in
different terms--- you just happened to stumble into a long-standing debate.
 It's nothing personal. <G>)

Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:51:17 -0500
From:    Diane Trap <trap@r.......>
Subject: Librarian humor

If the FK cast were reference librarians...

     Patron:  I need something by Dickens.
     Miklos:  Olive or twist?



     -----Diane Trap
          trap@r.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:59:02 -0500
From:    Carla Pickering <carlap@e.......>
Subject: Why superhuman folk hold such appeal

*Trying* to keep this fairly concise......
(a) Bionic folk and (b) vampires both have cause to inspire sympathy. . .
an injury that required the bionic repair(a); being different from other
folks (and having to keep this fact secret from most) therefore feeling
isolated, alienated and/or misunderstood (a&b); not being able to go out in
the sun, enter a committed loving relationship, having to watch loved ones
age and die while remaining *the same* (b);  in the case of some vampires,
believing oneself either un-ensouled or damned.  Now, that is enough to
raise a huge case of sympathy in almost anyone.

At the same time these enhanced/immortal folk have individual personalities
(making them more or less likable to different human-types), usually
heightened charisma and all the regular "super human" abilities that can
come in so handy.

In addition, I have a feeling that vampires--both individual and the
concept--help us work through our feelings about death and dying,
immortality and such....Big subject.

On a later post, someone commented--someone is ALWAYS commenting--on why
Natalie hangs around and gives, and gives etc.----well, while I would like
to see a happy ending--I also feel like shaking Nick half the time--and that
is/could be because he *reminds me of vampires I have known*(read
*men*)--and ain't it just the most typical thing, till the point where we
finally "get it together" (at which point we might be too old to enjoy
"it")--we do fall for this safe because he won't commit to me anyway/my love
can fix him/he couldn't live without me/enabling thing**
I am at a stage where--having bought my own house and gone back to school
etc., etc., I get into a "kick butt" mood at the mere hint that I should
caretake or babysit --a male or any other human person--but it took me a
*long* time to get to that stage.

Follows--BAD poetry/couplets--no, they do not belong on the FKFIC----drat, I
left them home again.  Tomorrow--I promise, tomorrow!

Carla/Crowhawwk in
Exeter, RI
Recently Realized Ravenette and
Closet Cousine with (sometimes I want to shake him) Knightly Tendencies

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:02:20 U
From:    Celeste Hotaling-Lyons <celeste_hotaling-lyons@i.......>
Subject: 'Shiv'-er, me timbers

                       Subject:                               Time:11:48 AM
  OFFICE MEMO          'Shiv'-er, me timbers                  Date:2/7/96

Bonnela ripostes in a spritely manner:
>>Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine.  I'm sharpening a *shiv*....
>My, my, my, dear Cousin Celeste.  Just a bit defensive, aren't we?

Not quite sure what you mean by `defensive', my sweet--a shiv is strictly an
offensive weapon.  You know--in the alley, in the dark, in the ribs?

>I see your shiv and raise you a cuchillo.
Hmm... was not aware you thought this was an auction!--that explains much.
But, no-thank-yew-kindly, to the cuchillo--I don't eat gassy Mexican foods.

Thanks to all Merc offers of assistance in this matter--but it just isn't
worth spending the virtual chocolate to `get' this little one.  She amuses me
greatly.  However, should she foolishly come at me with a sword, I will run,
run, run, and then I will contact you guys.  Okey-doke?

With regard to LC's pet goldfish, Spike--I totally lost track of what happened
to him.  Since I couldn't get hold of the War IV archives, he didn't hold the
fascination for me that he did for the people who had actually read of his
advertures in that war.  I joined on in War V.  Maybe we can do something with
him (shish-ka-bob?) in War VII?

Count Celestula, currently The PageMistress
Have you read your War V archives lately?

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:07:54 -0500
From:    Karen Kasting <KatrynK@a.......>
Subject: No Life?

There has been much wailing and moaning about how Nat has no life, and is in
this Unwellness-Love situation with Nick.  But what about Trace?  Trace has
no life except for calls from Daddy!  Trace would just seem to go home and
fold up her cardboard self at the end of work, and nestle down into a box
until it's time to unfold herself.  I don't believe that anyone has ever
remarked upon this.

Karen Kasting
KatrynK@a.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:15:23 -0500
From:    Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: No Life?

Ref: Tracy and no life

Tracy seemed to have a much healthier attitude towards her attraction to
Vachon. When she felt that he was wrong for her in BB, she moved on,ok,so
she picked a mad bomber,but then this girl doesn't seem to have the best
judgement in men :)

I think that its not so much that Tracy has no life,but the fact that Nat
has *seemingly* cut herself off from any chances of life with another
because of her dedication to Nick,meanwhile he runs around getting his
"jollies" whenever the mood strikes him! ie: Janette,The "Indian" woman
and whomever...Tracy at least seems open to the possibility of a
relationship,but I know from personal experience that he shift is a rough
one for meeting guys! Incidently, on another personal note, I find it
particularly amusing that she works for a police dept and is attracted to
a guy with long hair! Believe me,you get sick of seeing all those
crewcuts and flat tops and I like long hair on men myself! :)



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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:25:25 -0500
From:    vicki jean merriman <vmerrima@i.......>
Subject: Re: Possible spoiler for ??

Guys... evidently I was being too subtle, but many people (6 or 7) wrote
to tell me where the quotes came from.

I didn't particularly care where the quotes came from.  They weren't
recognizable to me and one, in particular, seemed to match what little
I've heard about this weeks ep.

I was trying to politely point out that spoilers in sigs are still
spoilers.  One in particular told a lot about what happens in the show.

So much for politeness and subtlety.

|----
Vicki Merriman - vmerrima@i.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:25:44 -0700
From:    Alm <ulrike@h.......>
Subject: Anita Blake setting

Somebody asked where the Anita Blake books are set, and I'm pretty sure
that it's in St. Louis.  At any rate, it is somewhere in the south.
Sorry if this blows the Toronto theory.

Cousin Alm }} "I'm like a bad penny; I always turn up."
--ulrike@h.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:30:04 EST
From:    Deanna Dudney <102575.114@c.......>
Subject: Re: A Fascinating New Topic

Allison Percy wrote:

>Is there something wrong with me because I prefer a show in which a
>character struggles against a supernatural curse/gift (FK) to a show in
>which an ordinary man tries to make a difference in the real world (Matt
>Watters)?

Well, if there is, then I have the same problem.  Just about all the shows I
watch have the same "supernatural" element.  Maybe this stems (at least in part)
from interests in the unknown, or at least the more interesting.  To me, the
"reality" shows are just plain boring.  I can get plenty of "reality" in my own
life (yes, we all have one, even if we forget sometimes! :) ).  I'd much rather
watch a character that has some unique quality to him/her (but then I've always
liked unique things, and tend to surround myself with unique things/people.  I
work at Renaissance Faires, for heaven's sake!).  Vampires certainly qualify!

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:37:19 -0500
From:    Chana <chana@b.......>
Subject: Re: Nat's Quandary and The Beast Within

>(BTW, Chana, please don't feel picked-on, that wasn't my intention--- I
>believe you said that was your first post, no?  Don't worry, you're not the
>only listmember who has the same point of view you espoused, albeit in
>different terms--- you just happened to stumble into a long-standing debate.

Not to worry -- I'm not feeling attacked, yet...  Anyway, we go...

>1.)  Take her out, *in public*.
>What kind of a relationship is it if he has almost never taken her out and
>showed her off?!  [deleted text...] Why does Nick almost always skulk
>around with Nat indoors, as though he's hiding her or is embarrassed?
>(And please, don't anyone say 'Enforcers'.)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh, but that is exactly what I was going to say.  Nick and Nat
have a forbidden relationship in vampiric terms.  Of course, my
arguement would be better supported if the writers hadn't let
that long-standing agreement between LaCroix and Nick to slide.
(I can't remember the exact details...I'm sure someone will.
There was agreement between Nick and LaCroix that Nick would
sacrifice his first true love to LaCroix in exchange for LaCroix
foregoing bringing over/draining LaCroix's love (Nick's sister?)
Something along the lines)  Alas, in the current episodes,
I think its pretty obvious to LaCroix that something is happening
between Nick and Nat.

Besides, how do we know of what Nick and Nat do in their off
hours?  :-)

(One last thought -- Speaking of going out...I did think
it was kind of silly in A Night to Remember when Nat
told Nick they went out to dinner for his last birthday.
I'm sure he enjoyed that ;-)  )

>2.)  Say, "*I love you*.
Yeah.  Well, even I mentioned that one.

Hey, we all know Nick is not the perfect catch.  He has some
unusal character traits.  (ie:  he's a vampire)  But, geez, he is
cute...Oooops sorry...

What can I say...I'm a true romantic. (Gasp)
True love is rare to find.  I'm sure Natalie could find
someone with whom to have a family and lead a normal life.
But unless she loved that someone, that relationship
would be more hollow than the relationship she has with Nick.
Besides, normal is kind of boring.

I'm still rooting for Nick and Nat
Chana

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*  I have been one acquainted with the [K]night        *
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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:47:49 -0500
From:    vicki jean merriman <vmerrima@i.......>
Subject: Re: Normal Non-Feature Vampires?; Electronic Media

Bloomington, Indiana - there is one more copy of the Electronic Media
magazine available at the Borders here.  First come, first served.  It's
only $2.50 (this was for Bloomington residents, btw, not an offer to mail
it.  Sorry).

Interestingly enough, I went to the Barnes & Noble, having heard they had
it.  The person who "helped" me couldn't even tell me whether or not they
carried the magazine.  NO computer list to check apparently.  then he
took my name and phone number and _promised_ to have the magazine expert
call the next day.  In over a week She never called.  Screw that.  They must
not need customers.

It is, also BTW, a terrific advertisement.  Good going everyone.  Jon
Felt___ is on the cover.  He's not a bad looking man, for someone who is
cancelling Tristar.  You start to expect this evil grinch type.  (er, I
can't correct this, but I meant for someone who is cancelling FK, of course.)

|----
Vicki Merriman - vmerrima@i.......

On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Wade Lahoda wrote:

> Do you know what I just realized?  It is /very/ rare that we see a normal
> non-feature vampire around... I know we've seen a few, but, for instance,

I don't think it is deliberate, but a necessary financial decision.

> takes a script writer is five minutes to think up something witty for a
> vampire to say in the Raven instead of just snarling at Nick as he
> passes.  Like, "Hey, buddy, wanna go out hunting? Me and my pals were

Isn't there a price difference between an extra that says nothing and an
extra that says even 1 or 2 lines?  My guess is that that is what is
behind it.  A snarl probably isn't considered a line and the extra is
paid as a silent type.  since this is made in Canada I'm not sure of the
rules, but thought that this was the way it worked in the States.

So IMO, it isn't a conscious creative decision so much as a financial
necessity.

BTW - I agree with all of the people who say that Nick really doesn't
want to be mortal again.  I've thought that all the time.  He may even
think that he does, but Nick strikes me as a man who has become
incredibly adept at fooling himself.

There is no substantive moral difference between a vampire who doesn't
kill for his blood and a mortal.  Nick, however, seems to think that
mortality carries its own absolution along with it.  IMO, he is wrong.

--
Vicki - vmerrima@i.......
Nick    "What are you doing here?"
LaCroix "Making your life a living hell, as usual"

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:52:58 -0500
From:    Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: GWD's Worst Date

At 12:37 AM 2/7/96 -0900, Muldy Sculler wrote:
>Yes, but what was his best?

Sorry, they didn't list that in the TV Guide.  Maybe when he met his wife Alana?

Jane   (janes@i.......)
Die Hard ** Immortal Beloved ** Optimists Club ** FFFROGie
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:54:09 -0500
From:    Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: New Topic--last 3rd season ep

At 10:48 PM 2/6/96 -0500, Sharon Scott wrote:

>What would you like to see in the last ep of the 3rd season?

Nick and Nat sit down and talk about their relationship.

Of course, I'd like them to decide that it really won't work between them,
have Nick take off with Janette, and Natalie go to LaCroix for "consolation".

Jane   (janes@i.......)
Die Hard ** Immortal Beloved ** Optimists Club ** FFFROGie
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:11:38 -0500
From:    Stephanie Babbitt <stephanie.babbitt@g.......>
Subject: Re: No Life?

>There has been much wailing and moaning about how Nat has no life, and is in
>this Unwellness-Love situation with Nick.  But what about Trace?  Trace has
>no life except for calls from Daddy!

Well, she did mention in Let No Man Tear Asunder that she had a good friend
who was into tattoos in a big way. Now this doesn't sound to me like the
type of person she met in the academy or in church, so she must meet folks
somewhere! Maybe her friend is Jamie (the Illustrated Cousin)? How about
it, Jamie--are you a closet Perkulator?

Stephanie Babbitt
wondering if Vachon has tattoos under that sexy black leather jacket...

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:33:03 -0800
From:    Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject: Re: FK Vanity Plates

> >... you see a vanity license plate that reads "JADF."  Your first thought
> >is, Hey!  They forgot the "E"!
>

The one I saw said, UNC NIK.  The first thing that popped into my head
was a picture of nick sitting in a chair surrounded by little vampires,
reading them a book.  I know pretty dumb.

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:30:59 -0500
From:    Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Mt Royal College Bookstore

I picked up one of your flyers at the Mount Royal College Bookstore in Calgary,
Alberta.  I saw the 2 hour season premier when the show first started.
I found out it was on at 1 am on Sunday morning (Saturday Night), and have been
watching it faithfully since.  Please send me any more information you have

Bravo to whoever posted these! June and I received this E-mail yesterday!

NOTE: message was "snipped" to fit in information/meet list requirements

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:30:00 EST
From:    Deanna Dudney <102575.114@c.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie`s quandary

Marina Bailey said:

>I think the mass murder thing is a point of view. If you look at it that
>way, Duncan MacLeod is a mass murderer too. I mean, he goes around cutting
>people's heads off. He does it to survive. Vampires drink blood to survive,

Actually, I don't think Duncan has ever killed except in self-defense (or some
similar situation) which would not qualify as murder.  And it is not the same
thing as killing for food, either.  Vampires do (or at least in the past had to)
kill for food, which could be excused, but they *could* have killed animals if
they wanted to.  They just *prefer* human blood.  Also, most vampires (including
Nick) have killed for lots of other reasons, sport included (anyone remember the
episode where Nick, LaCroix and Janette were hunting down a hunter in the woods?
Nick was the one that found and killed him.  He was sorry afterwards, but
still...)

Don't think that I am against Nick in any way, though... I am still a "Devoted
Knightie"!  As far as Nick and Nat are concerned, well, she loves him and I
doubt she could turn that off just because it's not the perfect relationship.
And she is not judging his past actions, but recognizes his current ones, and I
think that Nick probably has higher moral standards in his current day persona
than most "normal" people do.  So even if he *used* to be a mass murderer, well,
he's *changed*!  Nick loves her, too, but there are reasons that he can't have
her.  For one thing, as seen in "Be My Valentine" LaCroix would kill her if he
thought that she was the love of Nick's life.  And Nick won't bring her across
because she doesn't *want* to be brought across.  She has said that many times.

>Also, I don't think Nick is dead. It does not seem as if FK vamps have to
>die before moving into the world of vampirism. They merely go from a mortal
>state to an immortal one - but they retain a heartbeat and some other
>functions.

Actually, there was an episode that dealt with this, too.  I forget the name,
but it was the one where Nick purposely flatlined, and had certain experiences.
He said that when he was brought across, he was in that same state, and could
have chosen to stay dead if he wanted to.  When someone flatlines, they do not
have a heartbeat.  I don't know the details of what happens to someone's
brainwaves when they are being brought across, but their body does actually die
for a short time.  Now here's a question... even though their body dies, and
they come back to life, does that really make them undead?  (Well, of course it
does, but I'm talking about the term "undead" in the traditional vampire sense.)
When a regular human "dies" for a short time, and is subsequently resuscitated,
do we refer to them as "undead"?  Of course not, so I ask you, what's the
difference?

Deanna
Devoted Knightie and Perkulator

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:41:09 -0400
From:    Stapleton <d7ux@u.......>
Subject: FK on ATV tonight

Just a reminder, to those of us in Maritime Canada, that the FOREVER KNIGHT
ep. "Unreality TV" is on tonight on ATV @ 11pm. It returns to it's normal
Monday schedule next week - so says TV Guide Magazine.

Lynn Stapleton
A Sleep-deprived NatPacker
d7ux@u.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:42:33 -0700
From:    Corvia Noctis <jln8817@s.......>
Subject: Re: Librarian humor

On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Diane Trap wrote:

> If the FK cast were reference librarians...
>
>      Patron:  I need something by Dickens.
>      Miklos:  Olive or twist?

Arghhhh! I've been wounded by a warple wit!  Arghhhh!

Corvia

 To: Jethro Tull, Ranma 1/2, Sarah McLachlan, Vamps and ALL of the
Night's creatures under the Goddess's Crescent Moon....

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:51:53 PST
From:    Diane Roe <jpj0015%j45csulb@o.......>
Subject: Re: Normal Non-Feature Vampires?; Electronic Media

From:    Diane Roe
         Financial Aid

vicki-
yes, you're right -- extras who speak are paid more than those who
don't (in the us).  one of my fond memories from childhood is that of dear
old dad (who was an actor for much of his early life) 'talking' to an
extra on the tv program we were watching: "don't say anything --
they'll have to pay you extra."  :)

obfk: part of what a number of us like about fk is the angst,
particularly nick's.  could the fact that nick and nat can't
get together be a form of angst for nat?  it's one of those
'star-crossed lovers' things -- nick and nat can't get together
while he's still a vampire.  therefore they won't admit their
feelings to each other (ok, they already have in bmv, etc ;) and
can't act as boyfriend/girlfriend because of the situation.

-diane
 droe@csulb.edu

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:30:01 -0500
From:    vicki jean merriman <vmerrima@i.......>
Subject: Re: No Life?

On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald wrote:

> Vachon. When she felt that he was wrong for her in BB, she moved on,ok,so
> she picked a mad bomber,but then this girl doesn't seem to have the best
> judgement in men :)

While not at all a perkolator, this is one thing that I _do not_ blame
Tracy for.  She met, then stopped for coffee _in a public place_.  She
had no reason to think that there was anything wrong with picking up the
shopping bag he "forgot".  There were no hints.  no reason for her to
think she might be targeted.

Her "good cop" yapping drives me nuts, but I really don't think having
coffee with the Mad bomber indicates bad judgment.

> I think that its not so much that Tracy has no life,but the fact that Nat

I never thought that Tracy didn't have a life.  She strikes me as the
type to arrange College reunions and keep track of all her sorority sisters.

> has *seemingly* cut herself off from any chances of life with another
> because of her dedication to Nick,meanwhile he runs around getting his

That's the difference.  Nat has cut herself off from other
possibilities.  However, as someone else mentioned, Nat may well have
been a loner before she met Nick.  Nick hasn't really changed her
lifestyle all that much.  She didn't have a life before Nick and she
doesn't have a life with Nick.  Maybe there will be an "after Nick" in
which she gets a life.

|----
Vicki Merriman - vmerrima@i.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:56:29 EDT
From:    Pat White <PAT@m.......>
Subject: Highlander

Could someone please e-mail me privately the address of the
Highlander e-mail list (as well as instructions on how to subscribe --
I plan to forward the message to a friend)?

Thank you kindly (oops, wrong list! :) )

- PirATe

>>>>>I LOVE NEW YORK ...
                        Better dead than mellow....!<<<<<

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:29:01 EST
From:    TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......>
Subject: Vachon calender

Ok guys...I have been pounded by requests for the Vachon calender. Well
I still don't have the pic's to put it it! Here is the deal....I know
some of you out there are happily digitalizing the show onto your hard
drive. Please send any Vachon pic's my way, if you do I will make a
calender for you with the character of your choice! That's the
deal...any takers?

Torrey

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:28:55 EST
From:    TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......>
Subject: Re: List Rules 'n' Stuff

Jamie writes:

>But Torrey -- I loved your post -- but I wish you'd explained a little
>more clearly about "Jamie and her fly".  It sounds really weird if you
>don't know the story... <g>

LOL...I guess it does sound a little strange. For those who are fly
story deprived...it was a  silly little thing about a fly that Jamie
found in her coffee. With in hours the fate of the doomed fly was
passed form every known FK character until it was *staked* by Jamie (
it was you Jamie wasn't it?) with a mint tooth pick. I was ROTF for
days after. In fact who saved the messages? I don't have them anymore
and would love to see them again.

 On another note....for those who are leaving the list...yes I read
another one today...Please just go if you feel you must. Your parting
shoots directed toward the list are getting on my nerves. < grrrrrr yes
I am in a *mood* today>

Torrey

*Vaquera*     There are four steps to accomplishment: Plan
purposefully. Prepare prayerfully.Proceed positively. Pursue
persistently!....LONG LIVE THE KNIGHT

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:11:40 -0330
From:    Jason Ryan <ibe0018@i.......>
Subject: Where's the rest

        I was wondering whee's the rest of the story "A Taste of Black
Velvet" I am quite hooked on it, can't wait to finish the story, please
tell me where the rest is, and the author's e-mail address, thanks

Jason Ryan

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:40:24 -0500
From:    Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: Nick as a mortal: Minority view

Lisa McDavid writes:
>I do think Nick really does want to be mortal and I don't
>think he would miss his powers once he'd made the trade.

I also think Nick really does want to be mortal.  However, while I
think he would come to accept the loss of his powers, I think that
no longer having them would be a big adjustment for him.  I mean
he's spent eight centuries almost doing what comes natural to a
vampire; use of his powers has to be ingrained habit by now.  But I
think he would adjust to be mortal again.

People talk about how he'd get shot after becoming mortal.  That's
probably possible.  But there's really no need for him to remain a
police detective if he comes back over.  In the 50's, he taught
archeaology at the college level (and I ask you, how much would he
have had to use his *vampire* powers in *that* job?  D*** few, I
would bet.) and acted as the night curator of a museum.  That job
meant a lot to him too, and he felt he was making a difference in
his student's lives.  In short, there are other worthwhile
occupations Nick could choose after becoming mortal again.  He doesn't
need to stay a cop (and if you think about it, it's not an occupation
he's chosen *that* repeatedly).

He'd miss his powers at first, but being mortal and having at last
a chance at redeeming his soul would be almost heaven to him, imo.

--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......

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Date:    Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:52:33 -0500
From:    Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Re: Nick as a mortal: Minority view

At 02:40 PM 2/7/96 -0500, Sandra Gray wrote:

>He'd miss his powers at first, but being mortal and having at last
>a chance at redeeming his soul would be almost heaven to him, imo.

But why does Nick have to be mortal to redeem his soul?  I don't believe
that there is anything innately evil about simply being a vampire.  Vampires
as much as humans have the ability to be both good and evil and all shades
in between.

Nick's actions will redeem his soul, not his physical attributes.  Living
without killing is not a problem for a vampire in the FK universe.  So,
there is no reason why a vampire who does not kill, but goes around helping
other people who are less fortunate, has to be damned.

Jane   (janes@i.......)
Die Hard ** Immortal Beloved ** Optimists Club ** FFFROGie
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)

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