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Digest - 7 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Wed, 7 Feb 1996
There are 33 messages totalling 1034 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. Half Vampires
2. One more spine-tingling topic (3)
3. Ooops, So there's more than 10 Actors; Season 1 Tapes
4. Natalie's quandry (3)
5. New FKFIC Challenge -- Nat-CERK
6. Beasts, Discussions, Lurkers, & Nat (2)
7. Herald article: whoomp! Here it is.
8. Immortality and e-mail
9. Stuph
10. Oh G*d, inspiration strikes.
11. Packages to TO
12. NATPE bag Fund & EM Ad Contributions : Scams
13. Fantasies
14. it's a serious discussion! :)
15. letters behind names/silliness
16. What, not clewed in YET?
17. New Lists...the Perfect List...the.....
18. FK Vanity Plates
19. Announcement: free software to organize notes, ideas about "good
vampires."
20. honor
21. GWD's Worst Date
22. List Rules 'n' Stuff
23. Unsubscribe me please
24. Evolution
25. TV Stations
26. The Nick-Nat question
27. listing of remaining episodes?
28. GWD/Taming of the Shrew
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:14:49 EST
From: TRACI ATCHISON <DATJ12A@p.......>
Subject: Re: Half Vampires
So many good answers, I don't know what to do, but I am pretty much
in Vampire heaven right now, if that is possible. Loved the answers.
Later.
Tratchis "One should forgive one's enemies,
Cousin/Knightie But not before they are hanged."
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:22:49 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
Jamie M.R. writes:
>"The beast within is warm and fuzzy!"
Barney? :)
Oh wait, we need an FK faction. Um...Graces?
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:40:16 -0600
From: Kayla Clark <katygale@i.......>
Subject: Ooops, So there's more than 10 Actors; Season 1 Tapes
I goofed as I imagine someone has already pointed out (I've changed to
digest). The actress in Timeless is *not* the same as the one in Bad Blood.
My bad. Sorry.
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I've kept my mouth shut about the Tapes thing, but with the recent
hullaballoo I'm gonna' share my whiney story.
I made a deal less than a year ago to trade tapes of FK for tapes of HL. I
had never seen Season 1 FK and the person with whom I traded sent me 8
EP-speed (6 hour mode) tapes with Season 1 in USA and Canadian versions,
plus NB's cereal commercials, movies with our heroes in them, etc. I sent 8
SP-speed (2 hour mode, 3 eps per tape) tapes with copies of the Season 1
commercial tapes I had bought from HL.
I know the person worked hard copying all that stuff, but the net result was
that it was all unwatchable. I tried everything to watch those videos. I
had my VCR serviced and I worked with the adjustments on the tv and stereo.
I was never able to get the videos to a point where I could watch them.
Now, I've swapped videos before - I got the second season of HL that way -
and the quality wasn't great. But, it was watchable.
I really felt bad about saying something about it, but I also really wanted
to see the episodes, so finally I e-mailed the person. The person
(obviously I'm not gonna' reveal anything about them) said they would redo
them in SP mode for me during the Christmas holidays. I've not heard from them.
I have begged Jon Felthemimer to give me the opportunity to give him money
;-) for merchandise such as the videos. I've offered the HL GWD cards to
anyone who will be so kind as to make watchable copies for me. I've been on
and off the list now for at least seven months; I love the show and I'm
doing everything my limited time, energy and money will allow to get a
fourth season - but, unlike the promise that someone made (I'm sorry, I
forgot who) that eventually those of us who want Season 1 will get it, I've
not gotten it. Given, I'm an impatient pup - so maybe this is unwarranted;
but I'm going bonkers y'know!
Of course, I'm also willing to pay to get them (though probably not $150).
Cousin Kayla
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:47:47 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's quandry
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Allison Percy wrote:
> You're gonna have to do some serious ducking to avoid this Knightie!
This *Cousin* is still standing! :)
> doesn't mean it, but it took a lot for him to say it!)
WHY doesn't he say what he really feels then? He is just playing with
here emotions,which is why I say he is selfish.
There are some people in life who just aren't happy unless theres a
problem and to me, Nick is one of them. Yes, Natalie gives him tremendous
support and what does she get in return? This man loves to angst,he turns
away the woman that we all believe he loves and I swear he does it
because he doesn't know how to survive unless there is misery in his life.
He reminds me of a mixture of a little boy looking for attention and an
alcoholic and Nat is his dependent. As I said before,maybe she doesn't
want commitment and this guy is perfect for her,she can set all her
feelings aside because after all "he's a vampire" Why hasn't she been
more active in finding a cure? I'm not good at episode titles,but why
didn't they pursue the angle of the "Sybil" vampire,the one with the
multiple personalities? Why in "Blackwing" when it appeared that Nick had
successfully "slept" with the Indian woman,didn't he rush right over to
Nat's? Did he even give her a second thought? Maybe,just maybe there was
more truth in his little speech in BMV than we think.
Maybe I'm just a die-hard romantic and I just don't see the spark in
their relationship,she might as well be his sister.
He constantly seems to "fall off the blood wagon" and theres good ole
Nat ready at his side,maybe she should be sent a lesson in "tough love".
By her willingness to stand by him,as admirable as it may seem,she is
only harming him. Until Nick finds the "good" in himself,he is of no good
use to anyone,but I think that the "good" will never be *good* enough for
him!
I do agree that the character development is the way that it is for the
structure and continuity of the show,my thoughts are much like
fan-fic,how I would like it to be,by making the characters more 3
dimensional in this genre. No personal attacks intended or implied.
All in good fun :)
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:15:23 -0800
From: Frisson <frisson@i.......>
Subject: New FKFIC Challenge -- Nat-CERK
This is my first time initiating an FKFIC challenge, but I do know the
rule! :-)
Here it is:
The Nat-CERK Challenge
Write a story in which Nat calls CERK while the Nightcrawler is on the
air. That's it. It can be silly, serious, sexy etc. However, Nat and
the Nightcrawler must actually speak to each other. :-)
Cousin Diana
mercenary
frisson@i.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 02:14:45 EST
From: MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR <VQRW76A@p.......>
Subject: Beasts, Discussions, Lurkers, & Nat
And yes, I DO write out my subjects so I remember what I was going to talk
about. So it's long. Prepare yourself. And thanks to new Wicked Cousin
Tippi and Cassie Carter for jumpstarting this particular diversion.
(Although, I'm not sure I agreed with much that either of you said... :))
* Beasts Within, Take 27 * Yes, they exist. This is one of those very
personal, under-your-skin evaluations that everyone has a different take
on. No shame there. My personal beasts are the things about myself I
dislike, and would like to control; this is where I feel a certain sympathy
for Nick, though his beasts - bloodlust, despair, rage - are a lot worse
than mine (from a standpoint of how hard they are to control.)
I'm not talking about sneakiness, competetiveness, arrogance, or the wish
to follow one's desires here guys; these are aspects of one's self that any
Merc will 'celebrate', as the Cousins do. :) I'm talking about the
cruelty, insensitivity, or selfishness that make it impossible for me to
like Lacroix - and want to smack Nick when he's in a bitter mood. He can be
downright nasty when he's depressed.
It's all very well to say that a happy well-adjusted vamp kills and doesn't
regret it. I have to disagree. Any time you cause *pain* real pain, and
say it doesn't matter... well, in my book, that makes you sub-human. :) Not
a next step up on the evolutionary ladder. Yeah, that applies to animals
too! and yeah, that makes me a hypocrite for having a burger for lunch. I'm
working on it, allright?
And no, that doesn't mean I think all vamps are inherently evil, either. In
the wonderful modern Toronto we're dealing with, survival by killing is no
longer necessary. Yes, the urge to kill, to drink blood is very strong---
and I'm not passing judgement on that. Intent counts for a lot, I think...
again, personal feelings here. I can't really cite the chapter and verse
where this was laid down. Maybe the best these guys can hope for is not to
hurt too many people. But to say they can't help it, they're made to
kill... I can't admire it. Only feel sorry for it.
But then, this could just be my control-freak nature not wanting *anything*
to have dominion over me. Lacroix deals with this aspect of his vampirism
by glorying in it and saying it's his choice, but tell me, if he had a
reason to---do you really think he could quit?? (Ducking the Cousins... ah,
well...)
I guess I agree with the Dark Knighties who want Nick to stay a vampire but
be redeemed. I'm not sure how well he'd adjust to mortality at this point
either; but he's *not happy*, and killing again, and drinking human blood,
doesn't seem to help him come to any kind of peace in the long run.
* Discussing and Thinking and Writing....* Hmmm.. Strange. Unless inspired,
I feel pretty silly discussing serious aspects of FK that have already
aired. Except for the very new, "wow, that was a neat bit" comments that I
send to SPOILR, I'm usually certain no one wants my opinion!! :) (So you ca
n say that the above paragraphs are an aberration)
So, Cassie & Tippi and other newbies who were wondering why only silly
stuff gets a lot of air time, part of it is that yeah, we've talked about
this before. A lot. I only got on the list in October, and I've already
witnessed three rounds in the ongoing "Lacroix is Scum/Lacroix is Cool"
debate. Not that I'm sick of the topic.
I take my theories to e-mail, and fanfic. Lots of fanfic. Evolving fanfic.
Comments on fanfic to other authors. Dreaming up new fanfic.
Which brings up another aspect of this---I want to see more fanfic
discussion, and there's barely any. Is this because people are afraid of
(a) insulting the authors, (b) boring the rest of the list, or (c) spoiling
it for those who haven't read it yet?
^^^Whatever the reason, here's my $0.02 for the new guys to the list: Read
anything Susan Garrett has written. ANYTHING. Get copies of FOREVER NET
from Valery King, since a lot of the earlier issues pre-date the ftp site.
Go to the ftp, and download JMR's "When Life Gives You Lemons..." if you
miss Schanke. Check out Dianne de Sha's Maureen stories, Apache/Laura's
Vachon & Tracy stories, and the currently ongoing "THE GIFT" by Jayel. You
won't regret any of the time spent on this stuff.^^^
Okay, so that was more than two cents. You caught me in a generous mood.
* Nat. Getting Her a Life for Valentine's Day. *
Lots of people have been complaining/defending Natalie lately. Lots
of people have been putting up excellent, terrific posts on why she is how
she is, what she ought to do about it, and whether she's sane, happy, or
smart. This is great stuff.
Please write this in fanfic!!! Please, I'm begging. I'm working on
my own story for this, but I love other people's stuff so much---
---and if you really DO have a great idea for how Nat Should Get a
Life, do like my old editor said : "Show it, don't tell it!"
Okay. End of really long post.
I love this list because it is tolerant, silly, serious, creative,
informative, imaginative, and inspiring. And oh yeah, it's about Forever
Knight. It's a good TV show. Check it out. :)
Christina vqrw76a@p....... Merc, O- FoFoD, CERK Station Manager
"Writing is like prostitution: first you do it for love. Then you do it for
your friends. Then you do it for money." -- Lee Kirkland, fanfic author
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 02:23:44 -0500
From: Lisa Clevenger <Sukhmet@a.......>
Subject: Re: Herald article: whoomp! Here it is.
I hate negative publicity. GRRR!
I think the Canadian goverment gives vampires special tax free status. I
think immortals also get tax exemption too.
The Anita Blake books are set in St.Louis, MO. BTW. Great books! Anita
could take on LC and wipe the floor with him! (please don't hurt me, uncle)
I read the Nancy Baker book, it was called Kiss of the Vampire. They
retitled it for the reissue. Also a good book.
What I really want is a Fk novel series. I would love that!
(cousin) Lisa C
I don't like being dead. I find it quite annoying, actually-LC C&C
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:49:39 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's quandry
> But worst
>of all, I just don't see that Nick *gives* her anything.
>He needs *her*, all right, but what is she getting out
>of the relationship? Talk about unwellness love!!!
>How about some general comments on such a one-sided relationship?!? Hey,
Is she trapped by her commitment
>to someone who cannot commit back?
This is from someone who has been there. You get yourself into these
relationships with the best intentions. Nat probably never intended to fall
for Nick, but a lot of us fall for people we never intend to; I fell for a
guy who was in every way *not* what I wanted, but he ended up being all that
I truly wanted without me realizing it. But for him, I was *there* for him,
a shoulder to cry on, support, comfort, when HE needed it. But a
relationship? -- whoa! Say those words even if you mean "friendship" and
chairs start to fly.
We all bring things into a relationship and we all take things with us when
we leave. What has Nick brought to his relationship with Nat? He has lived
800 years and has been with a lot of women. Does he know yet what he wants
out of a relationship? It doesn't seem like it. It doesn't seem like he
has learned 800 years worth of lessons from his love experiences. He's even
still unsure how he feels about LaCroix (and they have more in common).
What about Nat? She has lost so many people that she has loved (e.g., her
brother, friends, parents, etc.) and she has been hurt by people she has
loved (e.g., her Nana). Here she is confronted with someone who has the
potential to hurt her, someone who wants to die (the end result of gaining
mortality). She wants that "perfect love," but I think she is starting to
doubt its existance. Nat is always there for Nick -- she "nags" him but
it's out of frustration. She gives so much and wants to give more, but so
often her efforts and feelings are ignored by Nick.
I see two options for Nick and Nat (the two that I have experienced)-- Nick
wakes up and realizes that life isn't all about him, that his actions and
emotions effect others both positively and negatively, and that living means
caring about others and letting them care about him. -OR- Nat realizes that
no matter what happens, Nick will always care more about himself than he
does about anyone else, that he is an emotional vampire as well as a
physical one. And she will leave and start living *her* life.
Just my opinion from my perspective. Gee, that was kind of depressing.
Sorry. Such is life in the orphanage. Perhaps all of you people out there
still wearing rose-tinted glasses can offer a more uplifting view.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"I am born and I shall die. And in between I'm left to wonder why." --
R.I.P.
Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 02:32:23 -0500
From: Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: Immortality and e-mail
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Wicked Cousin Tippi wrote:
If I don't live forever, how can I possibly catch up on all my email??
Just wondering--did anyone else laugh as hard (and as knowingly) as I did
when you read this? I am absoultely BURIED in e-mail, mostly from this
list. I have been checking my inbox two or three times a day. I
*definitely* need to be brought over to help with this quandry. It might
also prove beneficial to my dissertation, which is sort of . . . you
know, in that limbo state of being not quite totally abandoned but very
neglected . . . Sigh.
Cassie Carter |----------------------------------------|
English Department | Visit THE JIM CARROLL HOME PAGE |
Bowling Green State University |http://www.bgsu.edu/~ccarter/carroll.htm|
Bowling Green, OH 00000 |*Everything you want to know about JC!* |
ccarter@b....... |----------------------------------------|
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:39:16 -0800
From: Preta <preta@e.......>
Subject: Re: Stuph
>Picturing a vampire super-spy type. Oooo... Aaahhhh... Sigh....
>
>
>Spamming for FOREVER KNIGHT!! The Mad Fax Spammer
Actually there is the book, The Spy Who Drank Blood, by Gordon
Linzner Gordon
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 02:41:38 -0500
From: Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: Oh G*d, inspiration strikes.
NEW FACTION: NO BUTTS.
Cassie Carter |----------------------------------------|
English Department | Visit THE JIM CARROLL HOME PAGE |
Bowling Green State University |http://www.bgsu.edu/~ccarter/carroll.htm|
Bowling Green, OH 00000 |*Everything you want to know about JC!* |
ccarter@b....... |----------------------------------------|
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:00:35 -0800
From: "Toni C. Holm" <tch@w.......>
Subject: Packages to TO
LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......> said:
>Lynne's post DOES NOT alter the fact that Nick Gray has requested that
>no more packages be sent. Please do the guys a favor and cool it!
A question -- Since Nick Gray's request that we cool it on the goodies is
based on a fear it will be a distraction to finishing the tightly scheduled
filming, how about we save the stuff up & send it at the very end of
filming for the season??(And ask him when that is?) Or perhaps ask _him_
for suggestions for how we *can* recognize & support the cast & crew without
disrupting their work. I don't like the blanket "no more stuff" as much as
anyone, but I *do* see the need to be respectful of the producer's wishes
Maybe there are some alternatives that would meet both needs? Laurie are
you willing to ask? Or someone?
-Toni <tch@w.......>
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:00:38 -0800
From: "Toni C. Holm" <tch@w.......>
Subject: NATPE bag Fund & EM Ad Contributions : Scams
Lana wrote:
>I've been receiving notes and email from people saying basically,
>"I've sent money in but I hope you're not scamming me."
Laurie wrote:
>A hearty second to everything that Lana has said. And as the person
>who laid out all the money, I find it particularly affronting. Anyone
>want to see the bills
I hate to pile on, but I'm totally apalled that anyone would suggest that
there's some "scam" going on. I know we live in a world of scams, but this
isn't one! I've *seen* the bags (all 10,000 of them) that Laurie so
generously fronted the $$ for. I've *seen* the ad in EM, and I've *seen* the
20,000 brochures that other listmembers generously copied & folded & mailed
to Las Vegas at their own expense. I've also had personal contact with one
hell of a lot of people who've spent their own money, time & resources
working on saving the show - making phone calls, sending faxes in massive
numbers, making cookies, sending gifts, etc.etc. -- the list could go on for
pages! Donate or not according to your own desires or ability, but don't
worry these folks aren't for real! They deserve our thanks not accusations.
Bags and photos of the twenty cases in Las Vegas available on request from
me. No envelope required, just a retraction -- if you were one of the doubters!
-Toni <tch@w.......>
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:00:45 -0800
From: "Toni C. Holm" <tch@w.......>
Subject: Fantasies
Lisa wrote:
> Now please don't get me wrong -- I'm as capable of fantasizing as anyone else
>-- but I too have been bothered by this tendency lately. It's probably at least
>in part because we have at least one lurking cast member and known
>conduits to some of the others, but we've always made a point of not
>saying anything that you wouldn't want to be saying and turn around
>to find that the cast member in question was standing behind you.
Not to disagree, but maybe if we could keep the fantasies to their
appropriate place -- about the *characters* and not the cast members -- (at
least on the list) there wouldn't be quite the same need for potential
embarrassment???. I enjoy the list a lot and I wouldn't be in favor of any
further split or shepherding of the discussion. I don't expect to have every
single post to be fascinating to every listmember. No offense, but I've
found the little "delete" key a very handy tool for dealing with posts that
don't interest me <g>.
-Toni <tch@w.......>
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:33:19 -0800
From: Alikhat <alikhat@i.......>
Subject: Re: it's a serious discussion! :)
>>I also should point out that evolution only occurs through
>>generations of entire species not individuals.
>However, if you want to get really nitpicky, evolution can happen
>in *one* generation: Consider the white moths that one year,
>when polution turned the trees black, gave birth to a generation
>of black moths.
Hi Tippi!
Actually, I'm familiar with the moth example you gave here, and I believe
you forgot a detail or two. To begin with, the change occured within a small
space of time, evolutionarily speaking, but it did take more than one
generation. Also, the moths didn't just spontaneously decide to have black
offspring. The environmental conditions had changed to make the lighter
colored moths easy targets for predators and those moths who were more
darkly colored (due to a recessive gene) were suddenly more likely to
survive to pass their genes on to the next generation. The darker the moth,
the greater the chance for survival, mating and breeding. ( and I believe I
now owe a thank-you note to Mr. Clark, my old high school Field Biology
teacher! :-)
>Could we then not consider one's previous life as a human
>one generation, and then one's rebirth as a vampire the
>second generation? After all, one of the fundmental precepts
>of evolution is *mutation* -- human cells mutated into
>vampire cells.
Nicely put. Works for me!
>How can I say vampires are an evolutionary step above
>humans? They are stronger, they live longer, and they are
>potentially smarter (because a longer life affords the
>opportunity to learn more).
Then again, there are people declared geniuses at the age of five and
others who could live to be a thousand and *still* not learn how to set the
clock on a VCR. ;-)
>I'd say if you put a human and a vampire in the same room, only
>one of them is going to walk out alive when it comes down to
>"survival of the fittest"!
Of course, if you put a human and a hyena in a room together, only one of
them is going to walk out alive (and full, I might add). Does this put the
*hyena* on an evolutionary rung above humans?
>In closing, I'd like to say that, as an anthropologist, I feel
>compelled to say that vampires aren't better or worse than
>humans, they're just different from us. However, as a
>*Cousin*, I'd say Heck, yeah they're better -- and some of
>them dress better, too! ;) C'mon, Cousins, back me up here! ;)
Well, if it's a matter of survival of the *chicest*, I'm with you all the
way, honey!!
Alikhat ( alikhat@i....... )
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:57:41 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
>Hmm, let's see, here's my shot at what each faction thinks (feel free to
>disagree):
>Vaqueras/os: The beast within is getting my hair all tangled.
Disagree. Big surprise there.
Should be, Vaqueras/os: The Beast within loves women.
~~~~~~
How about this?
Tracy Vetter to The Beast within: "My, what big eyes you have?"
Nick to The Beast Within: "Out, out damn Spot."
Nat to The Beast within: "Don't I have enough to worry about without you
gnawing at me as well?"
LaCroix to The Beast within: "So nice of you to drop by."
Vachon to The Beast within: "It's cool."
Urs to The Beast within: "Can't I please you either?"
Janette to The Beast within: "Shall we dance, ma chou chou?"
Schanke to The Beast within: "No, I don't want any tofu, Myra."
Reese to the Beast within: "There will be *no* beasts on my shift."
Alma to the Beast within: "Ooh, that tickles."
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:41:31 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Natalie's quandry
Actually, to be a picky soul--Nick is a serial killer, if one selects to
identify him as a killer.
Can't control his hormones--sounds like a typical male to me. <;p>
Someone--define normal for me!
Bite this,
Barbara
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Leah Rosenthal wrote:
> I think Lynn has hit it on the nose with regard to Nick's "relationship" with
> her and how good or bad it might be for her, as a normal human being. We
> have to consider that Natalie isn't in the most 'normal' of professions to
> begin with. Dissecting dead bodies with no emotional involvement isn't the
> same, for example, as slinging hash at the local Dennys, managing a corporate
> office or even looking after live human people. She needs something more
> down to Earth to anchor her in a healthy milieu. I don't think Nick is it.
> I mean, he's cute, but he's dead. Not only dead, but despite his recent
> (and rather shaky) remorse, he's also a mass murderer. He can't even help
> occasionally thinking of Natalie as a possible snack, rather than a mate.
> Even if you can overlook all the rest, he can't father any children with
> her, he can't grow old with her, he gets bored every few decades or so with
> his life in general and he has utterly no control over his undead hormones,
> where other females are concerned. About the only thing that's healthy about
> this entire situation is his bank account.
>
> Hmmm...Natalie isn't a dope. Maybe she really just wants Nick for his money!
>
> Seriously, though, if I were a network like USA last fall, and wanted to add
> any character to the show, I would have considered a strong mortal RIVAL for
> Natalie's attention, to keep things interesting...not this Tracy/Vachon
> stuff. It worked for the first season of REMINGTON STEELE. I certainly
> would have found it more of a challenge, story wise, and would have perhaps
> given Nick more of a motivation to be a better man (and maybe a mortal).
>
> Leah (who has no fear of N&N flames...I've got on my asbestos jammies)
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:55:15 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: letters behind names/silliness
Leah,
As a college prof. I have many letters behind my name--I do not truck
them out. Why, because,oh no! ego in gear, one should do one's own
talking. Impress folks with the force of one's convictions and
intellect, not with the alpha soup.
BTW, to whomever you are, the brighter the mind the greater the need for
play. Do not worry, one day you will see the essential truth of this
concept.
Earthy, but tasty,
Barbara
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 02:18:45 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET?
>As anyone can attest, using your own weaponry is so passe. Why be an
>amateur, when you can hire a professional?
>
>*A Reminder from your Local Mercenary Guild*
Thanks for the offer, maybe next time. After all, it is *only* a Cousin.
Besides, I am a professional, just don't bother trying to find any witnesses.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
Forever Knight FOREVER -- or else
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:02:20 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: New Lists...the Perfect List...the.....
Gerbutt, Gerchest, Gerhair, Gereyes, Gerp...well, lets not get carried
away. Or may be we should. Oh, sorry, I forgot, we should not be silly.
Tough,
Barbara
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 02:30:23 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: FK Vanity Plates
>... you see a vanity license plate that reads "JADF." Your first thought
>is, Hey! They forgot the "E"!
Speaking of which, does anyone out there *have* an FK related vanity plate?
Or have you seen one that could be interpreted as such. I need ideas for
when I get my dream Jeep.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:16:34 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: Announcement: free software to organize notes,
ideas about "good vampires."
How rude, just for this I will buy EndnotesPlus
Barb
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, caroline nachman wrote:
>
> Announcing the availability of SquareNote3.5, a free software tool for
For
> researchers, writers, scholars, collectors, professionals and executives.
> SquareNote3.5 organizes, indexes and retrieves notes, ideas and documents.
> It's like index card files on your PC.
>
> Used by thousands at 1,100+ colleges and universities, and by
thousands of
> researchers, writers, professionals and executives in 39 countries around the
> world. Easy to learn, simple to use. MS-DOS, runs well in Windows. Works
on
> any IBM-compatible PC and on Power-PC MACs.
>
> Free copy of SquareNote3.5 available by email ["sqn35net@s......."],
our Web
> site ["http://sqn.com"] or by postal mail.
>
> Caroline Nachman, SQN Inc. | For free SquareNote3.5,
> "Organizes, indexes, retrieves | email "sqn35net@s......."
> ideas, notes and documents. | or open "http://sqn.com"
> Like index cards on a PC."
>
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 02:41:57 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: honor
Cousin Alm wrote:
>What should a Cousin know of honor? That men use it as an excuse to kill
>other men so that they can call themselves "civilized"? That to fight
>with honor is to commit suicide? <snip>
Take it as you will, but what I meant was fighting the good fight means
sacrifices (time, money, resources, etc., and in some cases life). I did
not say suicide was honorable, but death does come to us all. As you said
"one should use every weapon that one has and take every opportunity," but
where is the urgency if one is destined to live forever?
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:37:20 -0900
From: Muldy Sculler <ffbmh@a.......>
Subject: Re: GWD's Worst Date
Yes, but what was his best?
Barbara
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 04:41:36 -0500
From: Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Lisa Anne Prince, the befuddled Cousin, wrote:
[If Nick became human, he]
> would change so significantly that Natalie would no longer even
> know Nick. Technically, it is the beast within Nick that attracts [her]
This is so darned interesting to me that I must carefully restrain myself
from responding. I started and carried through a thread on an FK
newsgroup on this very subject a few months ago, but I still want to know
what others think.
Basically, I agree with Lisa, but I still don't know *why* I agree. The
newsgroup discussion sort of identified Nat's attraction as the attraction
mortal humans tend to feel toward "romantic heroes/antiheroes"--like,
well, Rochester in *Jane Eyre*. Please, I want to know what you folks on
the list have to say on this subject--and I'm sure it won't be exactly the
same as the responses I got on the newsgroup!
Cassie Carter |----------------------------------------|
English Department | Visit THE JIM CARROLL HOME PAGE |
Bowling Green State University |http://www.bgsu.edu/~ccarter/carroll.htm|
Bowling Green, OH 00000 |*Everything you want to know about JC!* |
ccarter@b....... |----------------------------------------|
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 06:52:51 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: List Rules 'n' Stuff
List Rules:
Um... guys? Baby listowner here. Please try to remember that you can only
quote *four lines or less* of whatever post you're replying to. If you're
answering more than one point in a post, you can quote an additional four
lines for each point, if you need to. But huge blocks of requoted text
waste bandwidth -- and cost money to people who pay by the word.
Okay? Thanks. Warm fuzzies.
-------------------------
Stuff:
On a personal (NON-asst. listowner) note: Silliness is part of life, on a
good day. It is also an inherent part of FK, and what makes this list into
a community. There are days like today, when I'm facing the worst -- and
then I read my e-mail, and things seem a whole lot brighter. Maybe for the
rest of the world it's an information superhighway, but here on the FORKNI
lists, it's a cozy country road, where you can sit on someone's front porch
with all your pals and giggle over glasses of Ribena. The ideal mix, imo,
is when serious dissertations on characters and behaviour live side-by-side
with happy nonsense; the best of both worlds, and anyone is of course free
to exercise the veto power of their delete key at any time.
But Torrey -- I loved your post -- but I wish you'd explained a little more
clearly about "Jamie and her fly". It sounds really weird if you don't
know the story... <g>
--
KEEP THE FAITH! -- Jamie M.R. -- The Illustrated C.O.U.S.I.N.
NatPack -- Mercenary -- SFK WebGoddess -- Asst. Listowner
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/immajer/
THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal.
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 05:03:50 -0800
From: Eliot <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me please
At 01:03 AM 2/7/96 -0500, Annmarie wrote:
>Although I don't care for a some of the discussions here, I'm sure that
>those participating in them do and(snip, snip)thats what the delete button
is there for.
Thank you for saying it out loud! And until now, everyone who felt
this way kept quiet, "didn't add to the noise level about it" and were
mature and confident enough to be able to use the delete button without
announcement!
Jackie
Support your local Attorney...send your kid to Medical School.
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 05:13:08 -0800
From: Eliot <ejdjd@i.......>
Subject: Re: Beasts, Discussions, Lurkers, & Nat
At 02:14 AM 2/7/96 EST, Christina K wrote:
>Which brings up another aspect of this---I want to see more fanfic
>discussion, and there's barely any. Is this because people are afraid of...
(snip)
I was not aware that there is a site for fanfic discussion; the
FKFIC list is for the fiction itself, isn't it? The spoiler list is for the
new shows and the regular list is for Forever Knight discussion. I always
thought comments must go to the authors directly?
Jackie
Support your local Attorney...send your kid to Medical School.
ejdjd@i.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:33:16 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: Re: Evolution
In a message dated 96-02-07 02:00:17 EST, you write:
>Rather than the next advance in human evolution, the FK vampire could
>instead be an evolutionary *throwback* to a more primitive version of
>human. Or perhaps the FK vampire is just a human *mutation*.
I don't think vampires are the next *step* in human evolution -- I mean, if
we all became vampires what would we eat?? (Although, with all the 'youth
serums' scientists are trying to develop, heck who knows?) I *did* say they
were an *advance* over us -- as would anything stronger, smarter, and
longer-lived than us.
As for them being a more primative version... Well, I wouldn't mind buying
into that if it meant seeing a few fur-lined loincloths! Uncle's would, of
course, be an Armani or other elegantly fashioned, black, mandarin-collar
loincloth (yeah, yeah, I know, loincloths don't have collars). Hubba hubba!
Wicked Cousin Tippi
(Obligatory butt quote: "Butt!")
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:57:09 -0500
From: Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@u.......>
Subject: Re: TV Stations
Don't remember who specifically asked for this information so I'll
post it to the group.
Forever Knight is shown in syndication in the Detroit/Ann Arbor area
on the following station:
WJBK-TV Ch2 FOX
[Address removed]
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:38:09 -0500
From: "Sharon A. Himmanen" <romana@p.......>
Subject: The Nick-Nat question
I have to pretty much agree with Sharon Scott on this one, that Nick and
Nat need to start communicating, but I also think that the attitude of the
producers toward this situation is one of the biggest problems the series
has going for it. Remember, in second season TPTB tried to just drop the
Nick-Nat relationship without addressing it, giving it any thought, or
anything like that. That was a mistake, IMO because it significantly threw
the balance of the series off. There was a lot of exploration of Janette
and the Nick-Janette relationship, but that wasn't countered in *any* way,
romantic or otherwise, with the Nick-Nat relationship and the whole series
just got sort of lop-sided.
Then they did that dreadful BMV (an episode I *still* hate with a passion
even if the Nat-LC scene was brilliant), and then forgot about it again.
One of the reasons why I think first season worked so well is because the
character relationships were very balanced--there was a Nick-Nat-Janette
triangle that had an even amount of tension in it. That got lost in second
season.
So the real problem here is that TPTB don't know quite what to do with the
Nick-Nat relationship (hell, they can't for the life of them figure out
what to do with *Natalie*), and I think they're sorry they ever introduced
it in the first place because it restricts Nick's ability to go with the
neck of the week. So now they give it a little push every once in a while,
then leave it alone and miss a lot of other, *better* opportunities with
it.
For instance, *why* has the danger to Natalie in a relationship like this
*never* been addressed? How about a scene where he vamps out when he
kisses her. I can't believe we're 2.5 seasons into the thing, there is a
relationship between them, and this has never been addressed. Missed
opportunity. How about the aging quiestion? I can think of others, I'm
sure. And it stems from the philosophy of the series which is that while
the Nick-Nat thing is good to superficially address during sweeps weeks,
they'd rather it wasn't there at all and that ultimately hurts both the
characters and makes them look cold, selfish and uncommunicative.
Of course, part of our job is to work within these restrictions. Nick and
Nat *don't* communicate, and that's a two-sided thing there. I think
they've been a bit better this season, but they've got a long way to go.
I'd also like to see Natalie decide she can't put her life on hold for
him--Nick cares about her, but I don't really believe he loves her (I think
he sort of fancies he's in love with her because she's his current
representation of mortality). I'd like to see one pin the other down for a
serious discussion. But that's only going to happen in fanfic, and most of
us know it. So we're left with a frustrating, superficial Nick-Nat
relationship that should and could be *so* much more than TPTB are giving
us. The sad thing is, it's there in a lot of the other relationships, just
not in this one. There was good development of Nick-Janette, Nick-Schanke,
Schanke-Janette last season. So what's the problem with Natalie (though
the Nat-LC scenes, as few and far between as they are, are very nicely done
and there is a progression to them)?
Sharon
--
Sharon Himmanen * romana@p........ Forever Knight has been cancelled.
To help save it, check out
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html or send me email
ASAP!
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:23:31 -0500
From: "Gaylin J. Walli" <gjwalli@m.......>
Subject: listing of remaining episodes?
Help! I lost my list of the remaining episode titles. Argggh.
Does anybody have them handy? I'm trying to update the FK
Home page and I can't get through to some of the scifi
listings of epsiodes, darn it all. Anybody have it?
Jasmine, Faithful Ravenette no matter what
gjwalli@m.......
http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/fktoc.html
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:28:41 -0500
From: Bea Quindlen <ocaoin@u.......>
Subject: GWD/Taming of the Shrew
Put down your phones, save your long-distance bill, I already called the
box office - here's what information on Geraint Wyn Davies upcoming
performance in Shakespeare's "The Taming of the Shrew".
I'll be checking back with the box office (weekly) and post any changes or
updates. The operators there are very nice, very helpful but they had to
look up some of this information because its not readily available (yet) on
their computer system. Let's not bombard them with calls.
NOTE: Tickets are not on sale until March 18. Only package deals (3 or
4 different shows in the series) are being offered now.
The information is not yet on the listed web site (but look anyway -
there's lots
of interesting stuff there)
Dates: April 25, 26, 27 - 8pm performance (no matinees listed)
Location: Trinity St. Paul's Church as part of the duMaurier World
Stage
Festival (see below) which is part of the
Harbourfront Centre on
Toronto's waterfront
(http://www.ffa.ucalgary.ca:80/harbour/)
Ticket Prices: $18, 24, 30 Canadian
Harbourfront Centre information: (416) 973-3000 (10 am to 8 pm EST)
Harbourfront Centre box office: (416) 973-4000 (2 pm to 8:30 pm EST)
du Maurier Ltd. World Stage (from the Harbourfront Centre web site)
"Harbourfront Centre is proud to be the producer of an extraordinary biennial
theatre festival, du Maurier Ltd. World Stage. For 17 days in April, theatres
across Toronto and Harbourfront Centre venues play host to companies from
around the world. Complemented by local productions, this festival has carved
its niche in the Toronto theatre scene. With the inaugural Stephen Godfrey
lectures and late night cabarets, in 1994 du Maurier Ltd. World Stage
established itself as Toronto's most important international theatre event and
one of the most significant in the country."
Bea
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