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Digest - 6 Feb 1996 to 7 Feb 1996 - Special issue
Wed, 7 Feb 1996
There are 36 messages totalling 1010 lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. More lists/silly stuff
2. TV Stations
3. One more spine-tingling topic (5)
4. Never mind ...
5. What, not clewed in YET? (4)
6. Predators and the Blood Supply
7. Nick and Mortality
8. Half Vampires???
9. AOL stuff
10. poor moping Nicola... (2)
11. &%$@#* USA operator
12. VIDCON minireport
13. taping FK
14. it's a serious discussion! :)
15. A topic other than butts and calendars
16. New Topic--last 3rd season ep
17. Nick & Nat & New Topic
18. There can't be more lists (2)
19. Unsubscribe me please (2)
20. New Lists...the Perfect List...the.....
21. Without a Clew
22. Evolution
23. Show status (need help!)
24. YKYB...
25. Herald article: whoomp! Here it is.
26. Vampires : Predators or Monsters
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:12:43 EST
From: MS GILLIAN A ELDRIDGE <VRKP26B@p.......>
Subject: More lists/silly stuff
I'm fairly new to the list and I also don't have time to read every
post, but guess what? I don't. If it doesn't interest me, I skip it.
Sometimes I want to read the silly stuff, sometimes the serious
discussions, sometimes both and, to be honest, sometimes neither. And
the beauty of one list is that I can do just that. Apart from anything
else, if we keep adding more lists, how on earth will everyone keep
straight which list they should be replying to?
Jill Eldridge (g.eldridge1@g.......)
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Help save Forever Knight. For more information see: http:
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:29:45 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: TV Stations
Hi,
As a favor to me, when you post about your TV station,please tell us
where its at,not just a channel number. And if you have the address,phone
number or contact person.
Each night when I go through the list I take out any posts where
someone has posted a cry for help or a cheer of praise and pass this on
to the people who are not on this list, just as others are doing. Ken888888
has been keeping the Compuserve people updated and Susan has been doing
that over on GEnie and Laura on Prodigy. We attempt to reach as many
people as possible,the more that know,the better off we are! We also have
a snail mail loop and another mailing that goes out.
Thanks!
FOREVER KNIGHT needs YOUR HELP! Visit the Save Forever Knight Homepage for
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Send letters to TriStar and to USA E-mail me or visit the homepage!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:25:22 -0500
From: Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
On Feb 06, 1996 18:39:31, 'Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>'
wrote:
>Knighties: The beast within is my fault, and I'm damned for having one.
>Vaqueras/os: The beast within is getting my hair all tangled.
>FoDs: The beast within is hungry for souvlaki.
Allie, this is AWESOME!
I have a definition; just need a faction to go with it... suggestions?
"The beast within is warm and fuzzy!"
--
KEEP THE FAITH! -- Jamie M.R. -- The Illustrated C.O.U.S.I.N.
NatPack -- Mercenary -- SFK WebGoddess -- Asst. Listowner
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/immajer/
THIS IS WAR #6. And this time, it's personal.
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:58:46 -0500
From: Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine <vanguard@p.......>
Subject: Never mind ...
OK, I've found the list of stations. Sorry to waste the bandwidth ...
---- TJ
Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine: News of the Science Fiction Universe
http://www.cybervanguard.com
Come visit us, or write us at vanguard@p....... for sponsorship info
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:00:35 -0500
From: Lane Lombardia <longpath@d.......>
Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET?
The
Escalation of force went something like this:
>>>*snick, snick, snick* (the sound of a blade being sharpened)
>>Are you offering a bit of sword play? I'm looking for a new partner. My
>>old partners haven't quite healed completely.
-and-
>Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine. I'm sharpening a *shiv*....
As anyone can attest, using your own weaponry is so passe. Why be an
amateur, when you can hire a professional?
*A Reminder from your Local Mercenary Guild*
[Interested in Joining? Contact Lane at:
longpath@d.......]
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:03:43 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: Re: Predators and the Blood Supply
Wicked Cousin Tippi asks:
<Where does LC get those bottles of human blood?>
Yes, I want to know the answer to this, too. Plus, do we know whether or not
*any* of our vamps still kill humans on a regular basis, for blood? Was this
subject addressed in the first season (which I've yet to see)?
Lynn
Chatelyne@a.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:06:12 -0500
From: Jane Snyder <janes@i.......>
Subject: Nick and Mortality
At 02:05 PM 2/6/96 -0500, Jamie Melody Randell wrote:
>He only THINKS he wants to be mortal. What Nick really wants is
>redemption. He believes that mortality is a necessary ingredient toward
>redemption; but if he could be 'redeemed' without losing his powers or his
>eternal life, well, that'd be a totally different story.
Absolutely.
However, I also think that Nick is suffering from the "Grass is Greener on
the Other Side" syndrome.
We don't really know why Nick chose to become a vampire. There had to be
more to his decision than just a yen to get into Janette's drawers. IMHO,
at least part of his decision was from a desire to be immortal, to be
powerful, to be stronger than mere mortals.
Okay, so after a few hundred years of happy vampire-hood, Nick begins to
realize what he lost by becoming a vampire: having children, romping in the
sunlight, his soul, etc. All of a sudden, being mortal doesn't seem so bad
after all.
And if he and Nat accomplish the impossible, and Nick regains his mortality,
I do not believe that he will be happy for more than a few years.
Eventually, Nick will tire of being mortal, the glow of being able to walk
in the sunshine will start to dim, and he'll begin to long for the old days
when he could fly through the air, hypnotize most people into doing what he
wanted, go anywhere and do anything just because he was a vampire. All of a
sudden, being a vampire doesn't seem so bad after all.
None of which means I don't think that Nick wants to redeem his soul. I
believe that Nick craves the thought of forgiveness for his "evil" ways. I
just think that there's more to his desire to be mortal than just a need for
redemption.
Jane (janes@i.......)
Die Hard ** Immortal Beloved ** Optimists Club ** FFFROGie
Writing is easy -- just stare at the page until your forehead
bleeds (G. Horvath)
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:07:26 -0500
From: Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
Well, you did say you wanted to talk about other things, so I'm
coming off basically lurk mode to add my VHO to this thread.
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Cousins
>believe all humans have a "beast within," and that the beast is
>something to celebrate.
I would have to say that this may be correct on some levels, but is
off the mark for me. When I look at LaCroix, I don't see a vampire
who celebrates the beast within, rather I see a vampire who accepts
his nature (beast and all). For me, LaCroix represents the
acceptance of self -- the acknowledgement that there are multiple
facets to an individual and those are what make him/her different
and special. He is strong, confident and self-aware. I find these
rather admirable traits. LaCroix is not evil. He is not good. He
is simply LaCroix and that is, in fact, all he should be.
In contrast, Nick reacts against his nature and by doing so creates
self-hatred. He can never hope to attain happiness with himself or
with Natalie while he continues to reject the vampire part of
himself. LaCroix said it best in BMV, when he tells Natalie that
the vampire in Nick might be the part of him that she adores most.
It is the hatred of the vampire that has created the Nick that
Natalie knows. If the challenge to be human were gone, IMO Nick
would change so significantly that Natalie would no longer even
know Nick. Technically, it is the beast within Nick that attracts
her. Would she be willing to put up with so much angsty garbage
from a normal man? Whether or not one views Nick's quest for
humanity as a good thing, by rejecting the *beast* portion of
himself instead of attempting to accept it as part and parcel of
who he is and learn to live with it, he reveals himself to be, IMO,
a relatively, weak character.
Lisa Prince -- the Befuddled Cousin
Please make checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation
Send to: Lisa Prince, PAF "Forever Knight" Group Charity,
[Address removed]
Rage, my friends, rage against the dying of the Knight
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:34:17 -0800
From: Bonnie Pardoe <bonnie@o.......>
Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET?
>>>*snick, snick, snick* (the sound of a blade being sharpened)
>>Are you offering a bit of sword play? I'm looking for a new partner. My
>>old partners haven't quite healed completely.
>
>Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine. I'm sharpening a *shiv*....
My, my, my, dear Cousin Celeste. Just a bit defensive, aren't we?
A shiv? I suppose this is the source of our word "shiver." Well, I'm NOT.
Sword play does not begin or end with the art of using a three foot steel
blade. I see your shiv and raise you a cuchillo.
Bonnela de las Vaqueras (bonnie@o.......)
"There is no honor in life without death. But what does a Cousin know
of honor." -- R.I.P.
Forever Knight FOREVER!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:22:15 -0500
From: Lisa Anne Prince <Moonlight@g.......>
Subject: Re: Half Vampires???
Hey, Hey Again :)
>>In the FK world, could there be a creature ... half vampire/half
>>human
There were those women from the first season episode, "If Looks
Could Kill" (I think that's the title). Not sure if you would
consider them half vampire. They were given injections of vampire
blood in order to stay young, but didn't seem to have any of the
blood lust or powers of full vampires. They were, of course,
slightly psychotic, violent, and tightly wound when kept from
they're daily dosage of vampire blood.
Lisa Prince -- the Befuddled Cousin
Please make checks payable to the Pediatric AIDS Foundation
Send to: Lisa Prince, PAF "Forever Knight" Group Charity,
360 Connecticut Avenue, Suite 133, Norwalk, CT 06854-1824
Rage, my friends, rage against the dying of the Knight
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:09:00 EST
From: Maria Montalvo <maria@m.......>
Subject: AOL stuff
Sorry, but this is not FK-related.
My sister is an AOL newbie, and has some questions. I'm not on AOL, and
don't use Windows, so I'm "no help". Is someone out there willing to
answer some questions for her?
Thanks
Maria
maria@m.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:35:12 -0500
From: Michelle Mark <Raindance2@a.......>
Subject: poor moping Nicola...
<but if he becomes mortal, he will not only be rid of the "evil"
<within himself, but also of the powers that enable him to do more "good"
<than any human can possibly do . . .)
My thoughts exactly. Nick wants to "repay society for his sins." Dosen't he
realize that he can do so much more good for the human race as a vampire than
he ever could as a human??? If all cops were vampires we'd have a hell of a
low crime rate dont you think? Nick just dosen't realize that vampires can
be good and at the same time true to their nature.
I think Nick would tire of mortality rather quickly. Sure, he'd do fun
"human" things, but after awhile he would miss the excitement of being a
vampire. Uncle would make sure of it.
As for Nick and Nat....I like Nat, I like Nick, I do not like Nick and Nat
together. After 3 years they have become tiresome. There were more sparks
flying between LC/Nat in BMV in that ONE scene (restaurant), then there have
been between Nick and Nat for 3 years!!!! I was hoping LC would just throw
her down on the table, the poor woman needs a little...well, you know. Nick
has had his share of great licking scenes but none of them with Nat. He's
really quite the slut, in fact, a walking hormone. Oh, don't get me started!
^v^Michelle
Cousin/Valentine/not gonna mention anyones butt, anymore.... ;)
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:23:38 -0500
From: A McLaughlin <Iremi@a.......>
Subject: &%$@#* USA operator
Boy I'm glad to know it wasn't my deoderant or what when I called USA. The
operator I got was unbelieveable RUDE.
I thought maybe it was my insistant tone that bothered her but that was one
mean bitch. I certainly will be calling the Human Resource Dept. as Bonnie
Pardoe did. If this the corporate attitude of USA then forget it. I have no
reason to watch a network that treats it's customers like that.
BTW has anyone noticed Ger's sideburns are getting longer I noticed this in
DoN and in Games.? Hmmmm.
A Mc
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:32:00 EST
From: Maryann Jorgensen <majorge@i.......>
Subject: VIDCON minireport
I promised I would post something about Vidcon. So this is it.
There were zines, zines, and more zines. There were zines from shows that I
never even heard of. So I came, I saw, I bought(and bought, and bought).
They had some good panels ranging from Voyager - that ended up being a
discussion on Trek in general to a Writers' Workshop.
They also had a panel on Forever Knight. Flyers were put out and a number
of people took more than 1. We sat around and talked about the show in
general, and how people felt about the changes, and possible cancellation of
the series. Surprisingly alot present knew of the show from its 3rd
season. Differences between the Canadian and American 1st seasons were
discussed.
The panels were presented in the con suit. The setup of people sitting
around on couches and chairs rather than a room with seats lined up in front
of a table with moderators made for a very open and comfortable atmosphere.
Well I'm not to good at writing these kind of things so I'll shut up now.
OBLIGITORY BUTT comment:
As a Knightie I feel it is my duty to look for gratutious butt shots of one
Nicholas de Brabant and shots of Ger without his shirt. Sorry cousins
Nothin' else can compare.(running for cover while ducking a hail of Q-tips
*heh, heh, heh*)
Maryann Jorgensen majorge@i....... * Knightie, Natpacker , N&Ner *
***********************************************************************
Nat: "Look, I know you're a figment of my imagination, but you have to
stop sneaking up on me!"
"I'm not a detective in here. Here, I'm a vampire. You may call me
Nicholas de Brabant."
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:37:00 -0800
From: Lisa Luksus <tokaara@i.......>
Subject: taping FK
Okay, I'll continue taking requests until Friday. (I have to stop sometime,
you know.) I'm saving all the e-mails I get (I've even made a separate
mailbox in Eudora for them). Over the weekend, I will do a mass mailing to
everyone who's contacted me concerning tape & postage costs. I just can't
find the time to do individual replies to everyone right now.
Boy oh boy...what did I get myself into? Ah well, between all the tapings,
I'll re-watch all the past seasons' episodes. Some of the best friends I've
made on-line have been people I've dubbed tapes for; who knows, it could
happen again.
This doesn't sound very cousin-ly, does it? Maybe I'm a closet Knightie or
something.
Cousin Tok
tokaara@a....... or tokaara@i.......
Do not go gentle into that good Knight! Check out:
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:37:18 -0500
From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......>
Subject: it's a serious discussion! :)
Sachs wrote:
>How do you figure that? I also should point out that evolution only occurs
through >generations of entire species not individuals.
Certainly, if we're speaking strictly of Darwinian concepts of natural
selection. As I explained to someone else, I am an anthropologist -- I know
about evolution. (They make us take a test on it before we can go dig in the
dirt. ;) ) However, if you want to get really nitpicky, evolution can happen
in *one* generation: Consider the white moths that one year, when polution
turned the trees black, gave birth to a generation of black moths. Could we
then not consider one's previous life as a human one generation, and then
one's rebirth as a vampire the second generation? After all, one of the
fundmental precepts of evolution is *mutation* -- human cells mutated into
vampire cells.
But besides the evolution you hear about on PBS, consider the kind you also
hear about in creative writing classes: *character evolution*. Your
character goes through some sort of transformation and is irrevocably
changed. It's a more metaphysical evolution. I myself have gone through
spiritual evolution since my adolescence -- haven't many of us? It didn't
take generations; it took a few years.
In every since of the word "evolution" I think FK vampires can be considered
evolved humans (well maybe Carouches are de-evolved, yes?). Now, I didn't
necessarily say all evolution is good -- some creatures evolve and then their
surroundings change and they die.
How can I say vampires are an evolutionary step above humans? (Note, I am
talking about FK vampires -- the vampires in my novel are an entirely
different species.) They are stronger, they live longer, and they are
potentially smarter (because a longer life affords the opportunity to learn
more). I'd say if you put a human and a vampire in the same room, only one
of them is going to walk out alive when it comes down to "survival of the
fittest"!
In closing, I'd like to say that, as an anthropologist, I feel compelled to
say that vampires aren't better or worse than humans, they're just different
from us. However, as a *Cousin*, I'd say Heck, yeah they're better -- and
some of them dress better, too! ;) C'mon, Cousins, back me up here! ;)
Wicked Cousin Tippi, in big big trouble!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:56:35 PST
From: June Russell <Kat@g.......>
Subject: Re: A topic other than butts and calendars
Jamie says (about Nick)
:He only THINKS he wants to be mortal. What Nick really wants is
:redemption. He believes that mortality is a necessary ingredient toward
:redemption; but if he could be 'redeemed' without losing his powers or his
:eternal life, well, that'd be a totally different story.
I heartily agree with this one. He said it outright in Blackwing when Nat
was giving him a bad time about "drycleaning his soul". She said he was
still a vampire. He said that even though he was a vampire, he didn't feel
like one "and maybe that's enough".
If I were Nat at that point, I think I would have sat down and had a real
heart to heart with him. (Although I think at that point she was feeling a
little left out that Marion had made him feel like he had been redeemed,
and she hadn't had a part in it).
I felt very sorry for Nick when he gave up that "redemption" so that Marion
wouldn't have to be a vampire. I'm a little surprised however that he didn't
try to get Nat's help (or someone's help) on the aspect that Jess was
talking about re: dumping the negatives into an animal, a stream or
something. Surely there are other "medicine men" who were still active and
could help him work on it.
Kat
Kat ( June Russell )
pacifier.com!grendal!kat kat@g.......
Heu! Tintinnuntius meus Sonat!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:48:58 -0500
From: Sharon Scott <Sss44@a.......>
Subject: New Topic--last 3rd season ep
I forgot the new topic. :-)
What would you like to see in the last ep of the 3rd season?
My short list:
*LaCroix* wears a hair extension.
Janette returns, kicks LaCroix out, and takes the Raven back.
LaCroix gets a real job and takes care of Tracy. For good.
Nat does *not* read Nick the riot act.
Vachon shaves, combs his hair, and does *something* with his life.
Nick realizes that Janette is his true love.
Nat finds a really nice guy, falls in love, marries, and has bambinos.
Grace goes to med school.
Schanke is found wandering around with amnesia, gets his memory back, returns
to the loving arms of his family, and returns to the police force, where he
becomes a captain.
Nick decides he likes being a vampire & hates being a cop. He decides to
become a writer and runs away to Paris with Janette.
Discuss.
Scottie
scotts@b....... or sss44@a.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:49:52 -0500
From: Sharon Scott <Sss44@a.......>
Subject: Nick & Nat & New Topic
Those of you who have heard all this before can delete now. And yes, I am a
Knightie. :-)
My take on the Nick & Nat situation--they need to learn to communicate, to
actually *say* what they feel about each other, instead of the
edging-around-the-topic-stuff we've seen for 3 seasons. We've seen them
flirting; we've seen them arguing; we've heard intimations; but we've never
seen them actually, honestly, truly, say what their feelings are. I know, I
know, he said "beautiful things" to her in BMV, but *we* don't actually know
what was said.
So do it, I say. Get it out in the open. Now! No more pussyfooting around.
:-) We want to *hear* it!
On whether Nat's a b*tch, I'd say no. She's competent, she's hardworking,
she's a woman making it in a tough profession. She's alone and lonely. And
she's in love with a dead man, which wouldn't make me a really cheerful
person, either. :-) I think she has seemed a bit ... hard? cruel?
unforgiving? this season, especially to people who haven't seen her in the
other 2 seasons--people who haven't seen her fall apart over her brother's
death, or her godchild's death.
I can understand all that, but what really bothers me is her preaching to
Nick about his morals (or lack of morals). Those of us who have watched her
for all 3 seasons have seen her lie, cover up/change evidence, hide causes of
death, and although some of us would probably do the same thing in her
situation, it annoys me that she moralizes to Nick every chance she gets.
He's not perfect--he's often inconsiderate, he's sometimes weak, he's
responsible for hundreds or thousands of deaths, but he's trying to change.
He's making the attempt. He's working at it, no matter how often he
backslides.
So give him a break, Nat. Glass houses, rocks, and all that.
There, I'm done. Got it off my chest. I feel better. :-)
Scottie
scotts@b....... or sss44@a.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:51:40 -0500
From: Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: There can't be more lists
Leah
Stop! STOP! (I can't catch my breath I'm laughing so hard!) I said STOP!!!
Carrie,
Newbie Knightie
Heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheeeeeee!!!!
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:48:10 EST
From: TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
Allison Percy, the perky Knightie writes:
>Vaqueras/os: The beast within is getting my hair all tangled.
Actually it is:....The beast within is getting my hair all tangled, and
it is a good thing because it is much to hard get just the right ratted
look without it! Blink Blink
Torrey
*Vaquera*
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:48:13 EST
From: TORREY L HARRIS <SSZK27A@p.......>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me please
Ok, I just have to say this. I like the humor and silliness that gets
batted around sometimes on this list. The list is like a family or
community. There have been days when the humor on this list has
reminded me not to take life so seriously. The discussion on this list
can be very challenging, they can also leave you ROTF. That is what
makes this such a great place. You have to admit that we do have very
creative silliness. In fact the other night all heck broke loose in the
ER where I work and I started to feel more than a little overwhelmed. I
got to the point of almost breaking down into tears then a strange
thought came into my sleep deprived brain. Yes folks I warded off a
mild break down all do to Jamie and her fly! So beware of knocking the
silliness, you never know when it may come back and save your bu**!
Torrey
*Vaquera*
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:56:52 -0500
From: Apache <lf@c.......>
Subject: Re: New Lists...the Perfect List...the.....
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Jamie Melody Randell wrote:
> If we start subdividing lists for every little topic, well, I can tell you
> right now that I absolutely refuse to be an assistant listowner on
> GERBUTT-L.
>
But Jamie, that would be the all-smoking list.... your natural habitat!
a peach,
er Apache [it's an "anagram..."],
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:22:44 -0500
From: Harper <RCMANN@d.......>
Subject: Re: Without a Clew
Valery (kingv@u.......) said:
>Whenever I see LC on this list, and I'm reading it at work, I have to be
>sure to check the "from" line to make sure I'm not reading an AutoCat
>message (LC being a librarian acronym for Library of Congress). Then
[snip]
Heh, heh, heh. Wise up and switch to Reference!
Q. How many cataloguers does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Only one, but she has to wait to see how LC does it.
ObFK: Maybe that's why I'm a Nat Packer. If Nat were a librarian,
she'd be a reference librarian. She likes solving puzzles. What
about the other characters? Any ideas?
Running and hiding from the irate cataloguers,
Harper *** rcmann@d....... *** "Mostly Harmless" -- Douglas Adams
"Go to the coffee-house..." -- Lord Byron
Robin Carroll-Mann ** Nat Pack
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:23:40 -0500
From: Siona <siona@n.......>
Subject: Re: There can't be more lists
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Leah Rosenthal wrote:
> Oh, darn...there go my proposals to tailor new lists to every concievable
> conversation that FK fans might choose to carry on, to wit:
[most lists snipped]
> FORKNIFE = Dedicated to FK fans who simply wanna talk about food on the show
> FORWAR = Wherein nothing but endless warfare reigns
You forgot:
FORMETOO = For all those who want to leave one line answers, usually
requiring that the entire previous message be included, such
as (but not limited to: "me too", "I agree with you", and "LOL".
(Though I have to admit that people on this list are better than other
lists I'm on about snipping material not related to their replies.)
--
Siona@n.......
Knightie! (with Dark Knightie tendancies)
Help save Forever Knight! see http://www.netaxs.com/~siona/
"Murphy was an optimist!"
Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:22:52 -0500
From: Sandra Gray <TMP_HARKINS@d.......>
Subject: Evolution
Rather than the next advance in human evolution, the FK vampire could
instead be an evolutionary *throwback* to a more primitive version of
human. Or perhaps the FK vampire is just a human *mutation*.
--Sandra Gray, forever Knightie
--tmp_harkins@d.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:30:02 EST
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Re: Show status (need help!)
On 6 Feb 96 at 21:12, Cyberspace Vanguard Magazine wrote:
> I'm trying to put together a list of all the stations that are
> showing FK and their addresses to put on the CV site... <snip>
> What I'd really appreciate is if everyone could
> send me a note with the city and station where they watch the show.
I'm sending TJ the list of stations that Cynthia and I have maintained, so if
you've written to me or to Cynthia, you're covered!
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker/FFFROG ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian of the Save Forever Knight Campaign
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:51:18 -0500
From: Calliope <usleamys@u.......>
Subject: YKYB...
You know you've been doing too much FK-related stuff when ...
... you listen intently to song lyrics not because you like them but
because you finally want to answer that "Song Challenge" thing. And I
swear I will! Someday.
... you see a vanity license plate that reads "JADF." Your first thought
is, Hey! They forgot the "E"!
And so on. When's "Human Factor" supposed to air? And did the Auction
story get posted when I was offlist?
Crawling back into my nice quilted room ...
Cathy
usleamys@u.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:51:30 -0500
From: Calliope <usleamys@u.......>
Subject: Herald article: whoomp! Here it is.
Here is the article that was in the Boston Herald's "Inside Track" section
for those of you who are Herald-impaired. Added commentary by yours truly.
Cathy
Vampire "Knight" isn't immortal
Not even a massive mobilization on the Internet (headquartered in Boston)
will save the syndicated cult TV show "Forever Knight." (optimists! -CL)
But don't tell the 2,000-plus on-line Knight-fever sufferers who have
accessed the Save-ForeverKnight web page to bemoan the demise of the
Fox-TV/ USA Network sci-fi show.
"We're hoping to find the show another home," said Save-ForeverKnight-ite
Cal Montgomery who called to tell us about a letter-writing campaign to
TriStar Television, the "Forever Knight" "Appreciation Week," a Knight fund
raiser for the Pediatric AIDS Foundation and the Knight table at the Arisia
sci-fi convention at the Park Plaza this weekend.
All to save a show that's doomed. (it wouldn't be if you jerks didn't talk
like that! - CL)
"Only a small miracle and a huge change of heart from the people at TriStar
would save the show," said "Forever Knight" executive producer Jim Parriott
(our man Jim! - CL). "But since USA Network canceled the show, TriStar
would be on the hook for an additional $250,000 per episode (but it's worth
it, innit? - CL) and they're not willing to pay."
Parriott said he surfs the 'net and has seen the mobilization of the troops
who want the drama about the vampire police detective in Toronto back for
another season.
"It's flattering," he said, "but I doubt it's going to help."
File Under: Good Knight.
... well! Somebody's glass is half empty!
By the way, has anyone else noticed that the majority of vampire stuff is
set in Toronto? First I noticed FK, then those Tanya Huff books, then
*Kiss of the Vampire* by Nancy Baker (did anyone else read this? I'd be
interested in some popular opinion), now these *Vampire: the Masquerade*
books! Does anyone know where those "Anita something: Vampire Hunter"
books are set?
Be seeing you
'cos I ... love ... Forever ... Knight...
Cathy
usleamys@u.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:08:40 -0500
From: Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
Jamie Melody Randell <immajer@p.......> said:
> On Feb 06, 1996 18:39:31, 'Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>'
> wrote:
>
> >Knighties: The beast within is my fault, and I'm damned for having one.
> >Vaqueras/os: The beast within is getting my hair all tangled.
> >FoDs: The beast within is hungry for souvlaki.
>
> Allie, this is AWESOME!
Aw, shucks. <blush> Still looking for more addenda or amendments,
though....
The "beast within" list would make an interesting addendum to the Factions
FAQ. "Peg that faction in one line or less!" I'm not sure the list is
what Cassie had in mind when she made her request, though!
> I have a definition; just need a faction to go with it... suggestions?
>
> "The beast within is warm and fuzzy!"
Let's see, this would be the faction of the warm fuzzies. The people who
are fans of the colorful, excruciatingly adorable, portable hugs
available both on the 'net and in Real Life (if Jamie *really* likes you...).
The leader of this faction would have to be Jamie MR herself. ("I *made*
you!" "What you made was a *fuzzy*!")
Let's call 'em:
Fuzz-busters?
The Fuzzy Brigade?
FuzzPackers? (I know, the "Packers" thing has been overdone...)
Fuzzy Co-dependents?
The Perpetually Needy?
Fuzzy-Wuzzies?
Oh, good lord, now I need a warm fuzzy. Hang on while I go load up that
page on the web. {{{fuzzzzzz}}}
Sigh. Now I feel better. Warm and contented all over. :)
* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie percy91@w....... *
* __o Pedal for Forever Knight & for a worthy charity! *
* _`\<,_ Contact me to pledge support or join the ride. For info *
* (*)/ (*) see http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html *
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:14:51 -0700
From: Alm <ulrike@h.......>
Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET?
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Lane Lombardia wrote:
> >Swordplay is for Knighties. I am a Cousine. I'm sharpening a *shiv*....
>
> As anyone can attest, using your own weaponry is so passe. Why be an
> amateur, when you can hire a professional?
As any cousin can tell you, it's so much more satisfying to do the dirty
work yourself. Besides, hired help must either be paid or killed, and it
is really _such_ a pain.
Cousin Alm -- ulrike@h.......
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:23:52 -0700
From: Alm <ulrike@h.......>
Subject: Re: What, not clewed in YET?
> "There is no honor in life without death. But what does a Cousin know
> of honor." -- R.I.P.
What should a Cousin know of honor? That men use it as an excuse to kill
other men so that they can call themselves "civilized"? That to fight
with honor is to commit suicide? One should use every weapon that one
has and take every opportunity. Honor? Horsefeathers!
Cousin Alm -- ulrike@h.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:56:34 +1000
From: Lisa Sutherland-Fraser <lfraser@p.......>
Subject: Re: poor moping Nicola...
^v^Michelle
Cousin/Valentine/not gonna mention anyones butt, anymore.... ;)
>As for Nick and Nat....I like Nat, I like Nick, I do not like Nick and Nat
>together. After 3 years they have become tiresome. There were more sparks
>flying between LC/Nat in BMV in that ONE scene (restaurant), then there have
>been between Nick and Nat for 3 years!!!! I was hoping LC would just throw
>her down on the table, the poor woman needs a little...well, you know. Nick
>has had his share of great licking scenes but none of them with Nat. He's
>really quite the slut, in fact, a walking hormone. Oh, don't get me started!
Oh wot a saucy woman you are and I like it, she obviously has a touch of
the Lucien magik about her no doubt. I totally am all for licking and laying,
shame I haven't seen BMV. Wot a wonderful expression, a walking hormone,
I wish he'd spread some this way...
<Growl>
Oops is one aloud to be this enthusiastic in front of the general public?
Who cares!!!!
L
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:03:16 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe me please
On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Stuart Drucker wrote:
> I'd have to agree with Lisa that the noise to interest ratio
> is about 8:1 these days. That is, if you're only interested in getting info
> about the save FK campaign.
*SNIP*
> like to see the listowners take a little more charge to cut the noise down,
> though.
What is noise to one person is music to another. How truly boring it
would be if we all were the same. So I wonder if you could describe "noise"
without stepping on anyone's toes. Statistically speaking,probably not.
Although I don't care for a some of the discussions here, I'm sure that
those participating in them do and if they are within the guidelines of
the list rules then as you pointed out,thats whet the delete button is
there for.
In reference to your comment about newspapers and stupid contests, I am
surprised that someone who is into statistics would not see the value of
contests. You might think I took that personally,but I didn't,it just
surprised me. Why else do we have the lottery, Publishers Clearing House
and countless other contests in the advertising world?
Finally, I hope that you all remember that without the efforts of the
SOS/FOFK people that there would be no "Forever Knight" and as much as we all
may say that we will all still be here, I think realistically that this
list will not be as strong as it is now. And I seriously hope that *all*
of you who say that you are a fan of FK and of this list are not sitting
back hoping that the rest of us will save it for you. And please don't
let anyone be mislead into thinking that those who are writing letters
etc are doing it because they haven't anything better to do. When the
demographics were done on this list it was found that the majority are in
fact working professionals or college students,both of which require a
great deal of time in our "real" lives.
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:10:13 -0800
From: Frisson <frisson@i.......>
Subject: Vampires : Predators or Monsters
Leah wrote:
>same purpose...eating any animal while it is still alive is regarded
>as inhumane and reduces the consumer to the level of any wild beast
>without conscience.
Disregarding the religious argument for a moment --- if I _had_ to make
the choice, I would rather have LC (or the vampire of your choice) look
me in the eye, tell me I was going to die and drain my blood as I
swooned into death than a farmer clonk me over the head with a mallet
and roast my flesh. Yes, I'm serious. Which is more the act of a
'wild beast,' really?
Cousin Diana
mercenary
frisson@i.......
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:14:29 +1000
From: Lisa Sutherland-Fraser <lfraser@p.......>
Subject: Re: One more spine-tingling topic
>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Cousins
>>believe all humans have a "beast within," and that the beast is
>>something to celebrate.
>I would have to say that this may be correct on some levels, but is
>off the mark for me. When I look at LaCroix, I don't see a vampire
>who celebrates the beast within, rather I see a vampire who accepts
>his nature (beast and all).
Lisa Prince -- the Befuddled Cousin
Lisa, didn't want to clog the line but I think what you said makes
perfect sense, in fact it was very eloquently put. That's what I
love about the list, the fascinating and intelligent discussions that
fly across the screen, what more could a good vampire want
(I have a few ideas...Blood, Vintage 1228 now a perfect drop in
the 1990s).
Vampire kisses
Lisa
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