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Digest - 28 Jan 1996 - Special issue

28 Jan 1996

There are 28 messages totalling 1011 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Valentines
  2. Optimist's Club
  3. LAST CALL! Newsletter to FK Staff!
  4. V&V/Who's Sexier
  5. Blooper tape
  6. Blood Drive?
  7. Trapped in darkness...
  8. War? War? ah, noooo....
  9. Snap, Crackle, Pop
 10. Reminder to Canadian viewers
 11. Vamp Powers: Psychic, Mystical/Spiritual, Biochemical?
 12. Flying vampires
 13. Various List Stuff (2)
 14. Vampire Flight (2)
 15. Toronto Questions
 16. irony
 17. HELP!!
 18. NATPE Stuff
 19. Ger's Conference on OMNI
 20. Ger's chat
 21. NetRatings for Forever Knight
 22. Tracy & Vachon
 23. Ger's audio book, volume 2!
 24. The mystery post
 25. Written in Blood-Today's Counts
 26. Sacramento time change

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:32:50 -0800
From:    Cherri Munoz <cdmunoz@e.......>
Subject: Valentines

Would the person who created the Valentine faction, please step forward and
take a bow?

"Cousin Cherri Munoz" <cdmunoz@e.......> FK Optimist's Club,  Sime/Gen
    I don't WANT a new one. I LIKE that one. <LaCroix-Father's Day>
      NATPE Strikeforce Survivor:   The Few, The Proud, The FK Strike Force
      Save FOREVER KNIGHT!
      http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:02:04 -0500
From:    Carrie Krumtum <Carrie400@a.......>
Subject: Re: Optimist's Club

Name for Vachon - Tracy faction? How about V-trac?

Just a thought (well you reallymust consider the source)

Carrie,
Newbie Knightie :)=

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:17:18 -0500
From:    "Alora C. Chistiakoff" <acc0924@i.......>
Subject: Re: LAST CALL! Newsletter to FK Staff!

Just a quick question: No confirmation that ANY San Francisco station
will be willing/have asked for it?

I may be in NYC this year, but I am returning to the Golden State in a
few months....it appears as though I am going to have to re-route my
nephews powers of persuation to emotionally blackmail my familyinto
bombarding KOFY in SF into going after next season (No one in my family,
including me, can say "no" to those big green eyes...amazing how much
power a seven year old can have. Anything I want, I get him to bat his eyes
at everyone and they trip overthemselves trying to get it done. The Power
<g>!)

Does anybody have any info on Bay Area Stations? I live in Santa Rosa,
and I know KTVY-50 runs it...my sister used to work there, I'll se what
she can dig up.

Lemme know if you've got anything.


*******************************************************
        Alora C. Chistiakoff <acc0924@i.......>
   Just another Californian choking on the Big Apple
        Nick/NatPacker and all around FK junkie
"I don't think Betty Ford takes vampires."--Nick Knight
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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:56:18 -0500
From:    Cassie Carter <ccarter@b.......>
Subject: Re: V&V/Who's Sexier

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Jill Kirby wrote:

> If I remember correctly, our esteemed listowner has told us that the entire
> V&V topic if off-limits, which (I think) includes post-mortem discussions of
> the subject.
>
> I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong <G>, but if Jaye asked us not
> to talk about something, we shouldn't.

So . . . does this mean Nigel Bennett is now on list probation?

Cassie Carter                   |----------------------------------------|
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Bowling Green State University  |http://www.bgsu.edu/~ccarter/carroll.htm|
Bowling Green, OH 43403         |*Everything you want to know about JC!* |
ccarter@b.......                |----------------------------------------|

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:31:42 -0500
From:    Nancy McCaskey <mccaskn@p.......>
Subject: Blooper tape

I'd like info on how to get the blooper tape. :)
mccaskn@p.......

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:46:08 -0800
From:    Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: Blood Drive?

Lana writes:
>
> who now knows what a certain Merc likes on *her* card.
>

Dearest, I'd hold my tongue if I were you...

...wouldn't want to make me..."cranky" for the next war, now would you?

<VVVWG>

Dianne
The No-Longer-Mad Ex-Digester <g> -*- NATPE Strikeforce Survivor
     ***"We ARE War 6!" -- The Magnificent Seven :-)***
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......> -*- FoFoD

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:49:41 -0500
From:    Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Trapped in darkness...

Oh no, I'm living in darkness....

Last night sometime after 11pm, after Ger's AOL conference (whew!), I was
trying to check my internet e-mail when suddenly everything went dark.  I
thought, "I'm BLIND!!"  But then I realized

(a) Someone has already used this joke from "Father Figure" once this
week on the list, and

(b) Other than my computer screen, everything in my room was still
clearly visible.  (Wow, look, there are other things in my room besides
the computer!)

I was forced to conclude that my monitor had died.  CTX 15-inch monitor,
rest in peace. :(

Eventually I dragged myself over to campus to use one of the computers
there (I *knew* the tuition was paying for something useful!).  I had to
set myself to digest since I don't know how often I'll be able to check
my mail now.  Of course, I'd walk 10 miles uphill both ways in snow 5
feet deep in the heat of the summer to read the mail from you guys <hug>,
but I may be a bit slow in sending replies for a few days until the
monitor problem is solved.

Anyway, light a candle for my old monitor.  Maybe the guy at the computer
repair shop can bring it back to life.  (Then it will be an *undead*
monitor, and I'll have to keep it away from the daylight, but it would be
worth it!)

* Allison Percy, Knightie in darkness        percy91@w.......          *
*    __o     Pedal for Forever Knight & for a worthy charity!          *
*  _`\<,_    Contact me to pledge support or join the ride.  For info  *
* (*)/ (*)   see http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html  *

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:54:45 EST
From:    MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR <VQRW76A@p.......>
Subject: War? War? ah, noooo....

Dianne and company (several people!) have been discussing the cups, the
cups I want, the cups I plan on HAVING as soon as I'm in the same state
with any of these people and can steal one... and someone brought up the
Next War.

As in "see you in April"!Yeep! I'm not ready yet! C'mon, guys, I'm still in
Sleep Deprivation Recovery from the last one! And aren't some of you going
to be in the middle of Mid-terms, Finals, what-have-you right about then?

Someone else asked if feuds are carried through the Wars. <tsk of sympathy>
You poor, innocent newbie, whoever it was. Of course they are. Just ask
Maureen the Mad and Dianne la Mercennaire. Ask Cousin Candace and Dawn
(leader of the DieHards). Ask anyone.

Me, I plan on wearing body armor the second I hit Toronto. There's a few
people who are still a little peeved with me... Although Pam HAS forgiven
me for what I did to the deli.

And y'know, we had to give BACK CERK at the end of the last War, 'cause the
Canadian version of the FCC was on our backs.

 But that doesn't mean it isn't really ours. (heh heh heh)

Christina, vqrw76a@p.......
Merc at work at CERK (call 555-CERK to request a song off our hitline!)

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:55:00 EST
From:    MS CHRISTINA L KAMNIKAR <VQRW76A@p.......>
Subject: Snap, Crackle, Pop

        Jamie's comments about how all the weird threads in her posts tend
to come from food topics, and someone else coming up with "Snap, Crackle,
Pop" had be rolling on the floor laughing. Thanks, I needed that. :)

[Of course, this is the sound you would make if you DID get into bed with
all three of our vampires, and you weren't one yourself. Euww. Although if
you were Immortal, at least the sounds would be of as many bones knitting
as those breaking...]

I still like the Something in French that means Lust Nirvana of Vampires
the best.  NLdV.  Siiiiigggghh. Having an active fantasy life is almost as
good as having an active Real Life; since in Real Life, the odds of this
happening with any three gorgeous guys are severely curtailed by the fact
that I'd end up giggling too much from sheer disbelief, I'll settle for
what I can get in my imagination.


        And when the NLdV happens, I want the set from last night's Dark of
Night to be the setting. Either that, or the rose garden from the
flashbacks in Be My Valentine.  Hey, lighting is important, and costumes,
and so on--- how can you truly enjoy yourself in a really tacking
atmosphere? The roll in the hay thing from MBiaV is just out, not an
option. I'd be worried about getting stuck on the stupid bits of hay and
straw instead of our three guys, and it would ruin the mood.

Hey, it's the little things that count...

Christina
vqrw76a@p.......
Mercenary, O- FoFoD, and part-time Valentine and NLdV

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:00:07 -0500
From:    Hugo Trepanier <pio@m.......>
Subject: Reminder to Canadian viewers

Hello everybody!

Just a quick note to remind you that Forever Knight has been moved this
week.  This note is good for viewers in the Ottawa and Montreal regions, as
well as a few others.

For those of you who watch Forever Knight on CTV, please note that it's been
moved to Wednesday (Jan31). (According to my TV Hebdo, that is. You may want
to check just to make sure.)  It's still at 10pm, but *not* on Monday!!  I
think it will be back on mondays the weeks following that...   Hope that helps!

Hugo Trepanier
pio@m.......

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:07:01 -0500
From:    Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: Vamp Powers: Psychic, Mystical/Spiritual, Biochemical?

Lisa McDavid says:

>ship. In the one instance I recall where they seemed to have a
>long or uncertain distance to go, Hunters in the first season,
>Nick, LaCroix and Janette rode horses rather than fly. True,

Maybe they just didn't want to pay the money for a flying scene that long, or
with multiple points of view (Nick, Janette, and LaCroix)? <G>  I dunno,
seems to me like it would be kind of tough to have a scene any other way with
vampires being *chased* by "Hunters", which is, after all, the title of said
episode.  They needed a backstory to correspond to the Schanke-gets-stalked
front story.  I don't think they wanted a scene with the three of them
getting chased in flight by three huge Enforcers with accompanying
voice-overs to get the point across.

I don't care for science fiction and almost never read it, so I can't speak
from that point of view.  I already brought up the issue of "where have the
instances been that Nat has shown any kind of proof for her theory?"  a while
back, and got some extremely interesting answers back.  I enjoyed this
discussion greatly (Thanks to all who responded;  I'm much smarter about the
scientific side than I was), but I'm afraid it didn't change my mind.

I do not believe in the existence of a "vampire virus".  I personally don't
think there's very much scientific involved in vampirism.  Or psychic, for
that matter.  In other areas, of course there is, but not as it relates to
vampires.  If it were, I really think there *would* be vampires out there
roaming around in our world today.  There would be no reason for there not to
be.  Actual vampires, not the humans with the weird thing who think they need
to drink blood.  We've mentioned them already <G>.  Sorry to say, I've never
met anyone whom I thought could even remotely be a vampire.  (If I did,
brother!  I'd be brought across like a shot! <G>)  Believe it or not,  it is
*more* difficult for me to believe, and less easy to attribute it to
biochemical or psychic means, than the other option.

Quite a few of us on this list, though of course not all, believe in some
form of god whom we can neither see nor touch.  That doesn't stop us from
believing (s)he is there.  I, at least, have not yet felt the need to create
a "god virus"  or a "psychic powers" theory to explain my beliefs.  I'm sorry
if I give offense, I'm not trying to do anything other than play defense.

Firstly, how is it that telekinetic powers could cause all of the people
affected to behave in *the same exact manner*, about any number of things
that they should, by all rights, have no mutual knowledge of?  Why do they
shrink from religious objects, garlic, and sharp stakes?  The "collective
unconsciousness" theory is one thing;  but why would all the vampires believe
in the basic tenets of vampirism (blood drinking, flight, mesmerising
victims, fear of religious objects, and so forth), be they in Prague, Miami,
Timbuktu, or Takamatsu?  Have they all been deluded by a grand conspiracy of
LaCroix and his peers?

We know that LC can call to Nick over *at least* short distances.  We know
that Janette and Nick "felt" LC getting closer in "Killer Instinct";  Janette
said she had felt it for "a long time", no?  How did they all know to
practice this ability to call to each other from across time and space?  How
did they even know they *had* this ability?  Are those psychic powers capable
of being transmitted "genetically" or through the ingestion of human blood?
 If not, where did all the vampires get it from?  And speaking of genetics,
if vampirism is a virus, is it also a virus which renders the vampires
sterile?  Why can't they have children?

As for the hypnosis theories, do masters, like LaCroix, use _hypnosis_ to
teach their fledglings to fly?  "I say you can fly, Nicholas; therefore you
can"?  If so, who the heck taught LaCroix this skill?  Divia?  Where did
*she* learn this from?  Where did the first "recorded" vampire learn it?  Is
hypnotic power supposed to be a characteristic of a virus as well?  It seems
a little more "mystical" than that.  Does anyone really know what makes
hypnosis work?  Surely the human brain is not that easily explained to us.

Besides, I *was* assuming that LC has come from far distances while tracking
down Nick.  *By flight.*  I didn't think he just sailed over on a boat and
then set up residence wherever Nick lived;  we don't have any proof that he
didn't fly on his own steam over the Atlantic Ocean or however far it was to
get to him.  We only see him arriving and leaving.  We don't see where LC
goes in-between.  Again, 'twould be expensive and time-consuming, as well as
not necessary to the plot.

If not, and they only fly for short distances, and the powers *are* mental,
how is the power of flight "extended" to keep so-and-so from losing their
mental concentration and crashing to the ground?  If Nick gets distracted by
a crime in progress, it doesn't seem to shoot his brainwave patterns so far
to heck that he falters or falls to the ground.  LC keeps taunting Nick in
"Dark Knight" with "you're _weak_"--- from drinking animal blood instead of
human.  Why would that affect *mental* powers?  What difference would it
really make to Nick's *psychic* strength re:  fighting and flying, etc. if he
drinks human blood or bovine blood?  What's the mystique about drinking human
blood per se, if vampirism can be explained so easily by biochemical/psychic
means?

Vampires have been seen as a supernatural myth for over eight centuries, give
or take a few decades.  This scientific/psychic idea is a mere toddler, by
comparison.  Sure, so we didn't have the technology back then to know.  But
not everything can be explained away by so-called "logical" means.  "There
are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio" *works both ways*, for the
mystic as well as the scientist.  I'm well aware of that.

However, if the symptoms of vampirism are related to a virus, why the heck
hasn't someone noticed this by now?  Why don't we ever see Nat reading
scientific journals, or discussing this with other scientists, if it's such a
possible scientific theory?  She doesn't have to say, "Hey Doctor So-and-So,
I know this guy who thinks he's a vampire";  she can just say "What do you
think of <blank>, do you think they exhibit characteristics that could be
attributed to the legendary vampires?"  And what in heaven's name is that
vampire virus doing, swimmin' away out from under Nat's microscope of its own
accord? <VBG>  (Is it a virus that feels fear?)

We're talking about a TV show.  FK has not set up the issue in any way so
that the "physiological", or "psychic", or "mystic" group, can win out over
the other.  There is no way, IMO, that they could just do a 180 and
definitively say, "Vampirism is supernatural", or "Vampirism is mental" or
"Vampirism is biochemical".  They'd look like fools trying to do so.  I find
myself very unwilling to believe that they at Paragon need a "bible" to be
told that they flip-flop all over the place and are going to need to come up
with some explanation which will please both sides of the fence.  I think JP
is out to entertain;  I don't think he's out to embellish on the "Dark
Shadows" scientific Julia-Barnabas thingy, or create any kind of new
statement about vampirism.  I could easily be wrong. <G>

And we don't know, either way.  The only thing I know, is that I've read all
the theories so far since I joined the list carefully, and none of them have
convinced me yet. I have read enough by now to know that I can't convince the
other side either.  I'm obviously ill-equipped to deal with both
science-fiction and scientists' theories at the same time <VBG>.  Lit and
English is my bailiwick, not science.

Rereading this, it occurs to me that what it looks like, is that I'm saying
in effect, "Well, I don't believe this just because it's 'always been done'
*this* way before":  Well, in a way, I guess I am:

Last time we brought this up, someone already said something like, "Do you
find it *more* believable that a 'vampire' can just sink their fangs into
someone's jugular and have them also become a vampire?"  Since I have a firm
belief in the possibility of the existence of the supernatural and a lot of
things otherworldly, *including* angels and demons (sorry Sharon <G>) ---
yes, I must say I honestly do.  Until someone shows me a single piece of
evidence (just one), I do.  I do not believe that there are truly such things
as vampires and werewolves;  but if I did, I wouldn't think that any of them
could be explained away by "scientific" means.

Sandra said something to the effect that no, a human couldn't practice
levitation and telekinesis to the extent that   "a *vampire*"   could;  but
according to the scientific and/or psychic theorems:

How do the so-called "vampires" on FK, then, *differ* from merely being
"humans with a nasty 'ol virus and/or a heightened psychic consciousness"?

Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:21:06 -0500
From:    Allison Percy <percy91@w.......>
Subject: Re: Flying vampires

Apache <lf@c.......> said:

> well).  So my vote, whatever the nature of their flight ability, is for
> limited distances.  Maybe a hundred miles in desperate need?  But
> certainly nothing like across a continent or an ocean.
>

Hmm, the only person I know who has implied that a vampire could fly
across continents is, er, um, *me*, in an SOS-FK story called "No Stranger
Than Fiction" posted on FKFIC-L a few weeks ago.  But the vampire in
question was Jon Feltheimer, or maybe his doppleganger in a universe next
door.  In any case, the reference was deliberately vague.

I knew it seemed unlikely that vamps could fly that far, but I went for
the amusement factor over the realism factor.  :)

Other fanfic authors may have taken similar liberties; I don't recall
long-distance flying by vamps in any aired episodes.

Going back into the darkness...

* Allison Percy, a perky Knightie            percy91@w.......          *
*    __o     Pedal for Forever Knight & for a worthy charity!          *
*  _`\<,_    Contact me to pledge support or join the ride.  For info  *
* (*)/ (*)   see http://assets.wharton.upenn.edu/~percy91/FKtour.html  *

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:33:24 -0500
From:    Nancy McCaskey <mccaskn@p.......>
Subject: Various List Stuff

> > >by now, you should be! <vvvvvvvvvBg> ...[just *try*
> > > prying it even out of my cold, dead hands! :-]
> >
> > A challenge? OK. See you in April. Hide the mug <vbg>

Could this be the beginning of the next War, as each faction tries to
accumulate the greatest number of mugs before a deadline? :)

> Am I the only one envisioning it as an oversized childrens' book, filled with
>  pastel watercolor illustrations of happy vampires?  And thinking that this
> is one piece of tie-in merchandise that I would quite possibly kill for?

Do we have any artists on-list who'd actually be willing to DO this?
Inquiring minds want to know!
>
> no one takes the "virgin &the vampire" post seriously. You have to be either
> psychotically egotisical or criminally insane to have an affair with a fan. I

I look at it this way:  If he didn't propose, she had no reason to expect
him to marry her, IF anything in that post ever happened at all.

>        Thank you and congratulations to the NATPE strike force, for your
> positive energy, persistence, creativity and the very entertaining reports
> you posted.

Yes!  They did an EXCELLENT job!  Kudos all around!

> I love it.  Snap, Crackle, and Pop has my vote.  Can't you just see the
 signoff
> "Name, a Snap, Crackle, Pop"  some of the list would definately be inclined
> to change their factions.  Could really be interesting in the next war.
>
No, no, no, no, no.  "Snap, Crackle, Pop" makes me think of Rice
Crispies, much more appropriate for Anne Rice fans or FK/Rice crossover
advocates.  Some other ideas:

Something with "three" or a variant in it.  Triplets/Triplettes?
Something to do with a tradititionally three-layered sandwich (a Club)?
  (A Monte Cristo)?  (That would, at least, make the FoDs happy!).
For a wordplay on Menage (a) Lacroix, how about the Menagiers, after
  Le Menagier de Paris, a merchant who wrote a cookbook circa 1393?
  (Can someone who speaks French tell me what the feminine
   variant would be? :)  )

Other suggestions?

==================================================================
              Nancy McCaskey   mccaskn@p.......
==================================================================
         But I thought it was YOUR turn to fly the dog!

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:01:38 -0500
From:    zillah <zillah@i.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Flight

I don't think, when it comes down to the flying, that distance is the
problem.

Think about this for a second.

You're a couple of hundred feet in the air, zipping along at a comfortable
click...

How do you navigate? Especially in an area that you're new to? What are
your points of reference?

If I suddenly had the gift of free flight, I seriously doubt that I would
suddenly be able to know where I am from over top of the buildings.

And lets say I wanted to fly to New York because, oh I don't know, I wanted
to bite Jamie so we could fly around the country bringing FK fans across.
What would she tell me? I live at such and such street. I will be *way*
over the street signs, too far to read them...

...provided I find New York. ( I hear it's north. )


=== Take It Light ===
___________________________________________________________

.Cousin Zillah.
.zillah@i........
"I was just thinking about the immortal words of Socrates when he said: 'I
just drank what?' "
___________________________________________________________

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:13:43 +0300
From:    Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: Various List Stuff

>> I love it.  Snap, Crackle, and Pop has my vote.  Can't you just see the
> signoff
>> "Name, a Snap, Crackle, Pop"  some of the list would definately be inclined
>> to change their factions.  Could really be interesting in the next war.
>>
>No, no, no, no, no.  "Snap, Crackle, Pop" makes me think of Rice
>Crispies, much more appropriate for Anne Rice fans or FK/Rice crossover
>advocates.  Some other ideas:
>
>Something with "three" or a variant in it.  Triplets/Triplettes?
>Something to do with a tradititionally three-layered sandwich (a Club)?
>  (A Monte Cristo)?  (That would, at least, make the FoDs happy!).
>For a wordplay on Menage (a) Lacroix, how about the Menagiers, after
>  Le Menagier de Paris, a merchant who wrote a cookbook circa 1393?
>  (Can someone who speaks French tell me what the feminine
>   variant would be? :)  )
>
>Other suggestions?


How about the Legionnaires? a la the Foreign Legion? Since all our boys are
foreign (two Frenchmen and a Spaniard) ... eh?

Toni M.

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:33:53 +0300
From:    Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: Vampire Flight

>
>And lets say I wanted to fly to New York because, oh I don't know, I wanted
>to bite Jamie so we could fly around the country bringing FK fans across.
>What would she tell me? I live at such and such street. I will be *way*
>over the street signs, too far to read them...
>
but with your wonderful gift of vampire sight you probably would be able to
see them. heh heh

toni m.

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:18:43 -0500
From:    Will Steeves <goid@i.......>
Subject: Re: Toronto Questions

Loose Cannon <LoosCanN@a.......>
>Okay, this is for anyone who is living in or otherwise knows something about
>the sacred city of Toronto.

Well, well...I see a challenge.  :-)  If anyone else is interested in Toronto
geography, please read on...


>First, (not to be considered in anyway derogatory of the fine city of Toronto
><g>) is there a "red light" district, or at least a street where one could
>go to meet a lady of easy virtue or purchase drugs (No, I'm not currently
>planning a trip).  I'm writing a story and would hate to make a complete ass
>of myself by mislabeling an actually reputable area. If there is such a
>district, does the current FK "lore" have the Raven in or near it?

Answers: Yes and no.

Yes, Toronto does have a few "red light districts" - the most notorious is
along Jarvis St., south of Bloor St. (the main east-west throughfare) and
Dundas St..  One will also "find" similar districts in Parkdale (Queen Street
west of Bathurst and east of Roncesvalles), and in Regent Park (the area
around Dundas and Parliament), although Parkdale and Regent Park are
"downscale" compared to Jarvis.  (Downscale is right!!  The office where I am
currently working, just happens to be around Regent Park, and on Friday, I had
the displeasure of having one of those not-particularly charming "ladies"
block my entrance into the office parking lot.  I ended up finding a different
entrance into the lot, but then the damnable hooker actually walked into the
lot and started yelling - needless to say, I made a quick exit, then later
checked my car for slashed tires :-) )

Still...one of the fringe benefits of my office's location, is that right in
front of it, are none other than the Forever Knight paddywagon, and the SWAT
truck that is also used by Due South.

Anyway...none of this will make much sense unless you have a map of Toronto.


Now, as for your next question - no, none of these districts is particularly
close to the Raven (whose "real" location is just outside of the central
business area, and in the "fashion district", around Queen St. and University
Avenue).




>Second, is it easy to get to Toronto from Montreal by train, and if it is, is
>there easy access to the subway from the train station?  (I assume there is
>a subway.  At least, I have a map for one.)

Trains often run between Toronto and Montreal, and the Toronto-bound trains
usually end up at Union Station, in the far south (just north of the
lakeshore, in fact), between Yonge and Bay Streets, along Front St.  From
there, you can connect to the Toronto subway system.



>That's all for now.  I hope someone out the can help me out.

Done.  I hope that this helps.

W.

---
Will Steeves, B.Sc. (Toronto, 1991), goid@i.......          "Neil Hull is GOiD"
Internex Online (aka ZOOiD BBS & R-Node), Toronto, Ont.   "GOiDS Rule"

1995-96 Managing Editor, The New Edition (U of T); Nu '97, Psi Upsilon
Ontario Area Coordinator, FREE ; Toronto Liaison Officer, M.E.R.G.E.
Proud Member of the National Coalition of Free Men (NCFM)

"Any sufficiently advanced intuition is indistinguishable from telepathy."
     - Steeves' Law

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:31:14 -0500
From:    Cathy Riemer <cathy@g.......>
Subject: irony

Anybody notice tonight's rerun of "Murder She Wrote" on USA?
All about an arrogant network executive who gets bumped off
for trying to cancel a popular cop show ... I wonder if
somebody over there is secretly on our side?   ;-)

-Cathy (Ravenette, Natpacker)

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:33:46 -0500
From:    Samantha Smiley <MaraJade00@a.......>
Subject: HELP!!

HELP!!  HELP!! I have never seen any episodes of the first or second seasson.
 I have never seen Janette. I have never seen Skanke(or however you spell his
name). Please help me!!   If anyone has any episodes they can send me or
copy. I would gladly pay for S&H. And any other thing your heart desires.
E-mail me privatly. HELP!! HELP!!


Samantha Smiley(no joke)
closet cousin\newbie knightie\Optimists' Club
"Why would I want to lead a normal life when
 everything else in life isn't normal"-I said that.

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:26:39 -0500
From:    Siona <siona@n.......>
Subject: NATPE Stuff

I just spoke to a friend of mine who was at NATPE.  I was really
disappointed in myself because I never had a chance to ask her to pick me
up an FK bag or EM magazine.  Apparently she ran into one of the NATPE 7
(she said she only ever saw one of them) and did get me a bag.  YIPEE!
She also bought me a FK mug as a gift.  I'm so thrilled!!!  She said
whoever she ran into seemed not to know about the mugs, and she offered
to sell them hers and go back and get me another one.  As it turned out
they didn't need a badge to get to the place that was selling them.

She was there as a member of the press and you might all be interested in
knowing that she said that there was a big stack of flyers in the press
room and the stack was smaller every time she went back until they were
all gone.

--
Siona@n.......
Knightie!
Help save Forever Knight!  see http://www.netaxs.com/~siona/
"Murphy was an optimist!"
Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:41:12 -0500
From:    "(sp?) Diane Rayno" <LuDia@a.......>
Subject: Ger's Conference on OMNI

Well, I made it to OMNI and made my own row.  69 of course, I know you
wouldn't expect any less of me.  Anywho, my row ended up with 6 people in it
and we were all basically just paying attention to the wonderful questions
that came from the audience, especially Marci's!!  The general concensus was
that while Ger was trying to be nice and polite, we (my row) felt that he was
giving up the run-around.  I, personally, felt that he has given up any hope
for a 4th season and that he is not too unhappy about it.  He blew off a
question or two in a roundabout response that did not answer the question
posed.  I haven't gone through my log of the chat yet, but when I do, I will
post the questions that bothered me.

The following is not a flame, just constructive criticism:

To all who were in 'The Morgue':

I realize, and I hope you all do too, that all opinions expressed by me in
this post and any others are mine and mine alone.  I am entitled to my
opinions as is everyone else. If my opinions happen to differ than the
majority, than so be it.  But I do not like being jumped upon by others
because of my differential opinions. If you disagree with me, talk to me, I
am always happy to discuss just about anything.  Please don't tell me that my
opinions are wrong, how do you know that you are so right?.  Like I said,
they are my opinions and I am entitled to them as are all of you.  I do
heartily encourage discussion of various opinions, that's what is so
wonderful about being on a list with such a wide variety of interesting
people.
Comments? Flames?  Send them to me, not the list.

Best Regards,

LuDia - The Multi Studded One
Cousin@Heart, Immortal Beloved
Vamp@Nyte, and now..... Valentine!

------------------------------

Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:56:36 -0700
From:    Raissa Devereux <1595@e.......>
Subject: Ger's chat

Hi,
I'm on AOL. I've downloaded Ger's chat into my aol file manager, but what
do I do after that? I can't read the text.


Until next time,
Raissa Devereux
raissa@i.......

I've got places to go, people to dissect. - Natalie Lambert

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:54:28 -0500
From:    Jeff Standish <jestandi@c.......>
Subject: NetRatings for Forever Knight

This week:
Syndication: #314, Dead of Night

USA Network: #313, Fever

Season 3 Episodes                     Rating   Max    Min   StdDev  # Votes
-----------------------------------   ------  -----  -----  ------  -------
301 The Black Buddha, Part 1           6.68    9.00   3.00   1.34      45
302 The Black Buddha, Part 2           6.82    9.00   3.00   1.41      40
303 Outside the Lines                  5.45    9.00   1.00   2.02      33
304 Blackwing                          7.66   10.00   3.00   1.59      40
305 Blind Faith                        6.54   10.00   1.00   2.27      35
306 My Boyfriend is a Vampire          8.01   10.00   4.00   1.36      39
307 Hearts of Darkness                 6.38   10.00   3.00   1.63      32
308 Trophy Girl                        6.87   10.00   1.00   1.98      27
309 Let No Man Tear Asunder            7.37   10.00   3.00   1.72      33
310 Night in Question                  9.47   10.00   2.00   1.24      52
311 Sons of Belial                     9.29   10.00   6.00   1.11      39
312 Strings                            7.68   10.00   6.00   1.19      11
313 Fever                              9.56   10.00   8.00   0.75      13
314 Dead of Night                     10.00   10.00  10.00   0.00       1

Number of Episodes: 14
Votes per Episode:  31.43
Average Rating:      7.70
Weighted Average:    7.52

 Rating is the average rating from those gathered to date.
    Max is the highest rating received.
    Min is the lowest rating received.
 StdDev is the standard deviation of the collected ratings.
# Votes is the total number of votes counted for that episode.

How does it work?
E-mail me (jestandi@c.......) your vote for a given episode,
telling me the name of the episode and how you would rate it on a
scale of 1 (lowest) to 10 (highest).  If you don't know the name of
an episode, you can check out the episode guide at:
        http://www.hu.mtu.edu/~gjwalli/FK/Episodes/episode_guide.html

I accept votes for the current week's episode, along with all previous
episodes (including those from previous seasons).  A listing of all votes
received for each episode is available from the main web page, listed by
e-mail name (full e-mail addresses are withheld for validation purposes).

The current ratings for Forever Knight are posted weekly to
alt.tv.forever-knight and rec.arts.sf.tv, the Forever Knight mailing
list, and can also be found over the web at the following address:
        http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/jestandi/fk-ratings.html


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Standish                                      The concept is simply
jestandi@c.......                               staggering.  Pointless,
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/jestandi.html     but staggering.  -Dr. Who
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 22:04:17 -0500
From:    Samantha Smiley <MaraJade00@a.......>
Subject: Tracy & Vachon

I have an idea for the Tracy + Vachon faction. Why doesn't your faction's
name be the Young Ones. I mean they are the youngest in the show.  And the
newest. Do you guys like that?


Samantha Smiley(no joke)
closet cousin\newbie knightie\Young one\Optimist's Club
"Why would I want to lead a normal life, when everything
in life isn't normal?"-I said that.

------------------------------

Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:08:19 EST
From:    MARG YAMANAKA <ZEZQ01A@p.......>
Subject: Ger's audio book, volume 2!


I just received my copy of Ger's audio book, Hauntings. In the
accompanying brochure there was a listing, as follows:

Forebodings: American Classics
Various Authors
Read by Geraint Wyn Davies

A classic collection of early American horror stories including:
The Oval Portrait, by Edgar Allan Poe
An Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge, by Ambrose Bierce
Ethan Brand, by Nathaniel Hawthorne
The Upper Berth, by F Marion Crawford
The Yellow Sign, by Robert Chambers
Read by Geraint Wyn Davies, popular star of the series, Forever Knight
Available March 1996

ISBN: 1-896552-07-2

Price US$16.95  C$19.95
Tangled Web Audio
US:  3380 SheridanDrive, Suite 167, Amherst, NY 14226
CDN: 1063 King Street West, Ste 133, Hamilton, ON L8S 1L8

Also listed were 6 other suspense/horror books. If anyone wants more
info, let me know.

Marg
ZEZQ01A@p.......

------------------------------

Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:43:38 -0500
From:    Felicia Bollin <AriCon@a.......>
Subject: Re: The mystery post

What Catherine B. said. <VBG>

Yes, Catherine, you were correct in saying that the person who posted for the
creator of the "v&v" tripe did open her post by saying, "*I have no interest
in FK*, I'm posting this for a friend."  Imo, it is incredibly stupid of the
poster to think that we did not *know*, thereby, that she had signed on to
the list, most likely, *just* to post said tripe.  If scurrilous gossip is
the only reason she signed on, I agree;  why should we have any qualms about
kicking her off for good?

I, too, would like to say "We're dreadfully sorry" to Mr. Bennett.  Mr.
Bennett, we intended that you would return from your list hiatus to read
dozens of daring accounts of the exploits and feats we have recently
performed for the sake of the cast and crew of FK, and be honored and pleased
by said gestures.  *Not* the unfortunate aberration that occurred.  Please
accept our apologies.

Felicia Bollin
AriCon@a.......
Ravenette*Immortal Beloved*

------------------------------

Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 23:45:02 -0500
From:    Bea  Quindlen <OCaoin@a.......>
Subject: Written in Blood-Today's Counts

MAIL:
If you have sent correspondence of any type to save FK e-mail me with a count
so we can see how we're doing! Please specify who you sent to, that is, do
not say TPTB. Using the list below as a guide would be a big help.
BLOOD:
I have only counted blood donations that have been posted DIRECTLY to me (not
the list in general. If you've donated a pint:
            E-mail me at OCaoin.AOL.COM to be counted in this list
AND      Get a receipt - tell them that you are donating to the FK cause!
            Then send your receipt to:  "The Friends Of Forever Knight"
                                                       SOS-FK
                                                       PO Box 00000
                                                       Alexandria, VA
00000-0000
===========================================================
Time: 10:40 pm    Sun. Jan 28, 1996

36 Blood Donations:
2 - Wales
3- Fredericton, New Brunswick
1- Corner Brook, Nfld.,
2 - location not specified
9 - NYC
9 - Baltimore, MD
1 - Denver
1 - Lakewood, CO
1 - Ward Hill, Mass
1 - Hammond, Il
4 - Pasadena
1 - Dothan, Al
1- Fitchburg, Mass
=============================================
Correspondence:
119 lottery tickets

3155  Letters so far to:
609 Kay Koplovitz    USA
592 Jon Feltheimer  TriStar/Columbia
306 Ron Perth   USA
204 Bonnie Hammer   USA
  17 Telemuchen
  56 Paragon
  98 Sony
112 TriStar/Columbia
157 USA
  38 James Parriot
  14 FOX
350 Local Syndicators
559 Sponsors
  12 Cast/Crew
  31 misc.

78 FAXES:
34  Kay Koplovitz    USA
  5  USA
  9  Columbia/TriStar
30  misc.

299 E-MAILS:
  68 USA
  37 SONY
  45 Columbia/TriStar
  14 Fred Mollin
  12 Nigel Bennett
    7 James Parriot
117 misc

10 Telegrams
63 People have indicated they donated to charity as well.

Misc= Marvin Kittman, Steve Case(AOL), Prodigy, USA Weekend, Ian Spelling, TV
Guide, Sci-Fi Weekly, Entertainment Weekly,  Ontario Development Corp., and
the recently acquired fax numbers, Terri Johnson, etc.
=============================================

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Date:    Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:02:44 -0800
From:    Selma McCrory <smccrory@c.......>
Subject: Sacramento time change

If you're in Sacramento, please note that FK has moved from 4:00 AM early
Sun. to 3:00 AM early Saturday, same station (40).

Anyone who called or wrote channel 40, please pat yourselves on the back.
We *did* get an earlier time slot...:)

Now we have to get one that's not in the wee hours of the morning...

Selma


Selma McCrory              "Maybe what this world needs
smccrory@c.......           are more Selmas."
selmamc@axxxxxxx           -Darien Lambert, Time Trax

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