There are 25 messages totalling 1014 lines in this issue. Topics in this special issue: 1. NATPE Strike Force Update 2. off the topic 3. SOS Campaign: Neilsens under attack! 4. Why not six? (2) 5. Definition of Gaffer 6. NATPE,EM Update! (2) 7. Mystery vamp. (2) 8. beta readers 9. Last Houston Party Post 10. Has anyone tried . . . 11. The Name Game (2) 12. Request for FK FAQ 13. 640 hits today??? 14. Trio (2) 15. NATPE REPORT (1/2) - We came, we saw, we kicked a little *elbow*! :-) 16. NATPE REPORT - (2/2) - We came, we saw, we kicked a little *elbow*! :-) 17. TEST-DO NOT READ! 18. Electronic Media article on FK 19. Gingerbread-whats?! and stu 20. $$ Ideas and long shots ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:04:18 -0800 From: LC Fenster <lucienlc@i.......> Subject: NATPE Strike Force Update Just spoke to Toni Holm, who kindly faxed me a copy of the EM article (yes, it is FABULOUS - we couldn't have done better if we'd written it ourselves, imo!). Don't want to steal their thunder, since I understand the Strike Force members are going to be posting their own assessments later tonight, but THEY HAD A MEETING WITH TRISTAR last night! As a result of which, I think we now know where to focus our continued efforts! :-) Laurie Fenster ye olde SOS FK coordinator ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:43:30 -0330 From: Jason Ryan <ibe0018@i.......> Subject: off the topic I know this is way off the topic, but i've seen the way some of you guys/girls sign your name with cool little pictures, i'd like to know how to draw them and make one for myself, thanks. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:14:55 -0800 From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......> Subject: Re: SOS Campaign: Neilsens under attack! On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, LC Fenster wrote: > attacking the November Neilsen ratings book in this weeks Electronic > Media (yes, the one with our ad in it). AND, I've just been informed > that one of the high honchos of FOX apparently lit into the Neilsens > system at NATPE (text of that should be on the way). Hmm, news to me, but then there were a lot of things that went zinging by my head yesterday without slowing down... But this reminded me of something I forgot to say in the huge NATPE report. While Dianne, Angela and I were walking around the booths, we saw a bunch of computers sitting around. And, having had to vent a computer addiction on a poor laptop not on speaking terms with the rest of the world, we were forced to stop and at least find out what the deal was. A nice shmoozer dude came and dithered about their cute little new system, which "tracks tv shows over the internet." If that sounds vague and confusing, good. That's what I thought. I guess basically they have computers which track what URLs get hits and how many, but I have no idea what URLs they use (official distributor pages? all? do you have to register for it?), or how they track them. Sounded actually kind of illegal to me, except they're undoubtedly much more knowledgeable than me about that kind of thing. But it makes me think you either have to register, or they limit their watching to "official" pages (which will be of exactly zero use, and totally inaccurate to the nth degree. But then it's Neilsen, this is par for the course.). Anyway, we tried to get the guy to track FK for us, but he needed a fairly complete list of sydies, which we didn't have on hand (just in the computer in the hotel). He said that if we came back with it, that he could do an overnight search for us, but since we'd be leaving early early in the morning, we couldn't do it. :( Big bummer. Another reason to wish we'd been there two days. Even though I would have died a very ignoble death of flat feet if I had. :) Catherine --------------------------------------------------------------- Catherine Boone catheboo@c....... "Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:42:46 EST From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......> Subject: Why not six? If you go back and read the message again, you'll see that the nominations are based on the *second* season, hence Deborah Duchene's nomination for Curiouser and Curiouser. Lisa Ryder and Ben Bass couldn't have been nominated because the third season isn't eligible for Geminis yet -- and they weren't in the second. Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble." Lisa McDavid mcdavid-lisa@s....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:56:51 -0400 From: "Leigh T. Johnston" <am496@c.......> Subject: Definition of Gaffer I've been reading the posts for the past two days (300 messages in my mailbox total) and I almost freaked when the question "What is a Gaffer?" came up. Well, it just so happens that I am studying to be one at Dalhousie University in Halifax,NS. A gaffer is the head electrician (a.k.a. lighting designer) for a particular show or production company. Maybe I'll apply for a job as part of the lighting crew of FK. Also, a suggestion for interresting gifts for the lighting crew: cressent wrench keychains, filter gels for mag lights (not practical but fun), or electrical symbol pendants for the female members of the crew. These may seem strange but I've seen them all and a few more fun things which I can't remember at the moment. Could someone tell me just what is a warm fuzzie? Leigh Johntson Can't decide whose sexier, LC or GWD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:59:23 -0800 From: Swordsister <catheboo@c.......> Subject: Re: NATPE,EM Update! On Wed, 24 Jan 1996, Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald wrote: > on the back inside cover, I don't have the exact details on that. Well, I'm looking at it right now, and now I find the Nielsen story! Cool, never saw it before now, I was too distracted by the pic of Ger and John on the page opposite. Lesse if I can get the general gist here... the Fox Chairman is putting on the warpaint against Neilsen... "one of our industry's real failures"... "put quite simply, the service Nielsen is providing to you as stations and us as a network is unprofessional and unacceptable."... "I have instructed our counsel to pursue any legal recourse necessary against Nielsen to get them to reform."... But when faced with complaints, he said, Nielsen has responded with bureaucratic explanations and excuses." And of course Nielsen people start hooting that they're not that bad, though they do admit that they're working on doing better. Okay, enough off topic stuff. > Andy Kaplan from TV Guide, I do not have the exact quotes so I have to heh heh... Diane will post the whole thing, but the juicy part is "A decision about next year hasn't been made..." Oh, here's the kicker. And I quote: "Who knows? Maybe it will be around forever and maybe spawn a "Forever Knight: The Next Generation," Mr. Kaplan (Andy Kaplan, Sr Exec Vice Prez of Colombia TriStar Television) said." Can you dig it, or what? > them last night and now,they are using them as "gifts" to pass along to > "whomever" Tri-Star? Yep, we redistributed the flowers to Paul DaCruz, the way cool ad dude with the broken camera (as he will be forever imprinted in my mind) and... uh oh, name fry again. Who was the other one? 'Kay, going away now. Mail is still flowing. Catherine --------------------------------------------------------------- Catherine Boone catheboo@c....... "Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon." - H. L. Mencken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:11:36 -0500 From: k s gritten <kg244989@o.......> Subject: Mystery vamp. Does anybody know the name of the other vampire with Screed and Vachon in Vachon's flashback during MBisaV? For some reason, I was under the impression that his name was Bourbon, but when I checked the known vampires list I couldn't find him. Anyone? --kg NatPacker! ***************************** kg244989@o....... If ever any beauty I did see, Which I desir'd, and got, t'was but a dreame of thee. ***************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 23:15:07 GMT From: Kyle Watkins <spyder_x@u.......> Subject: Re: beta readers I'd go for it. - Kyle, the New Cousin (It seems only yesterday...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:31:32 -0600 From: Sharon Joy <SJoy@u.......> Subject: Last Houston Party Post Sorry to do another list post. Please forgive. But..... Julie R. is driving in from San Antonio to come to the party on Sat. nite. Anyone else who wants to drive with her, please contact me by email and we can arrange it! (She really wants another Cousin to come, but will gladly give any try FK fan a ride :) ) ObFKP: Watched Fever again last night. Woops. Wrong list. Hmmm. Can't think of anything..... Nick. Red Silk PJ's. Vachon. Is that Ok? Hurray for NATPE people1 ----Sharon SJoy@u....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:32:28 -0500 From: Stephania Hyde <Step68@a.......> Subject: Has anyone tried . . . I had a thought and wanted to run it past y'all before I did anything about it. (yes, I am from Alabama) Has anyone contacted USA Today (or any other national publication, for that matter) about writing an article on the campaign to save Forever Knight? I'm amazed at all that is being done to save the show, and think it would make for a very interesting article. However, being the greenest of newbies, I didn't want to just jump in and e-mail them without getting some input first. Does anyone know of a reason this would be a bad idea (such as it's already been tried, it might p*ss somebody off, etc.)? Also, is there a veteran (not necessarily a Vetter-an) out there who would be willing to have me list them as a person to contact for information should USA Today decide to write an article? I'm still figuring out what is going on, but I thought that some of you who had been involved for a good long while could tell them all the stuff like blood drives, writing campaigns, etc. that is being done. Let me know what y'all think. I'd like to e-mail USA Today tonight or early tomorrow, so they could catch the folks at NATPE if they decided to write an article. It may just be a pipe dream, but what could it hurt? Stephania ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:56:22 -0800 From: Eliot <ejdjd@i.......> Subject: Re: The Name Game Not to mention all those Perkulators (reluctant or otherwise! ) out there (fans of Tracy who is just soooo perky, perky, PERKY!!!:)! Gawd, your first Forever Knight meeting should be a real winner with all those smiling, happy, faces :) :) :) Don't forget...your names have been posted! Jackie Support your local Attorney...send your kid to Medical School. ejdjd@i....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:59:57 -0400 From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......> Subject: Re: Mystery vamp. Does anybody know the name of the other vampire with Screed and Vachon in Vachon's flashback during MBisaV? For some reason, I was under the impression that his name was Bourbon, but when I checked the known vampires list I couldn't find him. Anyone? >> yes it is bourbon! (see end credits on episodes) toni M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:16:29 -0500 From: Hugo Trepanier <pio@m.......> Subject: Request for FK FAQ Hello Jane! >If you want a copy of the Factions FAQ, e-mail me off-list and I'll send you >one. This FAQ will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about mercs, >cousins, etc. I'm not an FK newbie, but I'd like the FAQ anyway. I'm new to the list though! I've been here for around two weeks, have I really like it. I even made new friends! You people are cool!! Thanks for the FK FAQ offer! Hugo Trepanier pio@m....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:13:44 -0500 From: Tippi Blevins <TippiNB@a.......> Subject: Re: The Name Game In a message dated 96-01-25 15:48:04 EST, Celeste Hotaling-Lyons informed: >You watch the show, you like a particular character better than the others >(not saying you don't also like the others, but you like this particular one >best), you have then decided which faction you belong to. One's friends may >try to "bring you across" by influencing you to be favorably disposed towards >a certain character, but it's all low-key. No one forces anyone to choose. >IT IS FOR FUN!!! Well no has to force ME. I love Lacroix! Guess that makes me a *cousin*, even though I am of the female persuasion, and even 1/4 French. *Cousin Tippi* rolls off the tongue far better than *Cousine Tippi*. :) Thanks for enlightening me! BTW, if anyone knows of fanzines tailoring to FK, please get in contact with me privately, as I have an addiction to be fixed. "Slash" zines, straight zines, don't matter to me! *Cousin Tippi* "...all the world will be in love with (K)night and pay no worship to the garish sun." --stolen from Shakespeare, Romeo & Juliette ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:36:38 -0500 From: Rebecca Burns <r.burns@g.......> Subject: 640 hits today??? On Thu 25-Jan-1996 1:45p, Jamie Melody Randell wrote: JR> Wow. JR> The SFK home page has been averaging about three hundred hits per day. JR> Which is impressive. Really? Cool! JR> As far as I can tell, it's had 640 hits in the last 24 hours. Which is STAGGERING. JR> What happened yesterday, to more than double the number of hits?! Oh, mighty WebGoddess (bowing to pay homage) I might have an answer..A far fetched one...But it's an answer... I think that the reason the SFK home page has gotten so many hits could probably be attributed to the NATPE convention, Maybe? I mean your web site is on the flyer right? Who knows? Maybe some of the execs decided to browse our little site to see what we're all about. Well, that's just my $.02 Becky Knightie, NatPacker, & closet Cousin "Ask not what your Knight can do for you, but what you can do for your Knight." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:42:19 -0500 From: Twithted One <Twithted@a.......> Subject: Re: Trio I heard that people were looking for me, so I signed onto this list just to sent this note. Please do not reply on list. I am on nomail so I will not see it. E-mail me directly. My e-mail address is Twithted@a....... Posted segments of the Trio series so far are: The Beginning Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes (1-5) ... 2-5 posted under "ADULT" header. Renewal, 1-4 of ? The rest of Renewal has not been posted because it is not written yet. When it is posted, it will probably have to be under the "ADULT" header. Hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:45:55 CST From: "Cynthia J. Hoffman" <choff@v.......> Subject: Re: Trio Twithted One <Twithted@a.......> writes: >Posted segments of the Trio series so far are: >The Beginning >Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes (1-5) ... 2-5 posted under "ADULT" header. >Renewal, 1-4 of ? Both The Beginning and Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes are on the ftp site located at ftp.cac.psu.edu in directory pub/people/lms5/fkstories/twithted/ Renewal will be there when it's finished. Cynthia, ye olde ftp site fiction goddess, who is horribly behind and apologises profusely Cynthia Hoffman choff@v....... Forever Knight is in trouble; get more information at http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:55:23 -0800 From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@m.......> Subject: NATPE REPORT (1/2) - We came, we saw, we kicked a little *elbow*! :-) [NOTE: sorry this got delayed. I have *5* separate email accounts and *4* of them are down due to hardware problems of one kind or another (desha@m....... is the only one working for sure at this point)-- Catherine wrote this and I'm posting... and, without further ado,... :-) --Dianne] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, all! Sorry it's been so long since the last update, this little NATPE scribe was all pooped out last night, hence the letter is being written while we're driving back. Somehow, between getting out of all those nice clothes (aaah!) and going out to dinner, we managed to waste about four hours that I still can't account for. But I'm getting ahead of myself. When writing a story, start at the beginning... Wed morning Dianne and Angela and I went over to Diane and Cherri's room, all dressed to kill (no literal remarks here, nope, not at all... ;) and Diane was about ready to hit the ceiling, she was so excited over the article that the nice man from New York wrote about us in the NATPE midweek EM mag. No, actually, hitting the ceiling wasn't quite right. More like she was hitting escape velocity. :) But then we all read the article, and we were all in orbit. The article was **extremely** favorable, likening us to Trekkies, except more intelligent and sophisticated, on and on. The whole article will be transcribed by Diane as soon as she gets home and gains conciousness, so I'd expect it sometime next week. :) Anyway, it was on page four, and quite prominent. It even had a first season promo pic of Ger and John, with the Elvis burns. We were ecstatic. We couldn't have *paid* for this kind of publicity. So we loaded up the car and all our bags, and headed out. Some took the front entrance, while Dianne and I took the top of the elevator. We passed out about 75 flyers and bags each before we got kicked out, in a half an hour. I think the others did about the same, if not better. Unfortunately, yes, we did get kicked out in very short order. But only a few of us were actually approached by security, so Debbie and Toni kept working the front entrance, while the rest of us either scoped out the main floor, or went outside to keep going there. Fortunately, it was a beautiful day, and today is the same. There was a chilly breeze, but not bad. And so we started the real work. Okay, at this point, we all had our own stories about the people we talked to and the things that happened to us, and while I'll hopefully write down all the ones of us in the car, I didn't have time to get those of Toni and Diane, so they'll have to add their own little addendums when they get home. Catherine's Stories In front of the convention center, there's a long covered walkway that goes between where the buses park and the entrance, with taxis stopping all along it. Since I was one of those to get stopped by security, I was extra careful, and went about halfway out before I stopped and started distributing. I figured that whatever happened, even if everyone else got booted, I'd be okay. After a few hours, the security guy directing cars across from me started talking, and he offered to trade jobs ($12.75 an hour isn't worth this!). I was *really* tempted, but I said no. I had one guy who was walking in a group, so I couldn't get him before he passed. But he saw me, stopped, and came back. He put his stuff down and started reading through the flyer right in the middle of the walkway, with all these people passing all around him. He just kept saying "Wow. You guys are great. This is so great. Keep it up." And while I didn't catch his name before he turned around, I was able to see the Colombia TriStar logo. Okay, so there's the song over the radio, the whistling song from Brdge Over the River Kwai. I decided that should be our theme song. Just a little diversion. There was one guy that stopped while I was still giving them out at the elevator. Not only did he stop to talk to us, but he recognized us as "Hey, you guys are with Lynn Ackerman, aren't you?" So whatever you're doing, Lynn, keep it up!! :) There was a group of people from Atlanta (at least one of them was) who stopped and said "Wow! This is my favorite show! Yeah, I'd heard it was being cancelled, but we're going to try anyway. You guys keep it up! We're not all bastards!" And yes, that is a direct quote. They were very nice, and I steered them in the right direction to TriStar. Another guy stopped and talked with me for a long time. He asked what I did regularly, asked if I was with TriStar, the Tv industry, so on and so forth. I gave him the full spiel, with why USA dropped, how good the ratings are, how loyal the fans are, yadda yadda. He was *really* impressed. He kept asking "Is the show really that good?" until I wanted to shake him by the shoulders "YES, YOU FOOL!!". But he ended by being really supportive and saying "TriStar is lucky to have viewers like you." My reply was "Why don't you go tell them that? <bright smile> They're at ..." and he said he definitely would. When I got on my lunch break, people had already scoped everything out, and they were selling FK merchandise upstairs, really nice embroidered shirts, both long and short sleeved, and black mugs with the logo, and a bite-sized chunk taken out of the rim. I told Dianne later that it was eminently Knightie-ish, especially for me. We Knighties always take out our addiction deprivation on the vessel of our addiction. For Nick, he hucks his blood bottles at the walls. Me, I gave up caffeine for FK, so I start chewing the mugs. :) Anyway, we walked around the floor (you can't get in the front way, but there's an entrance through the bathrooms that works extremely well) and checked out all the booths. There was a Rysher booth, but no Highlander stuff. The TriStar booth, while advertising all over the place for Baywatch, had not a stitch of FK. Well, to be expected. On the whole, the booths are very boring. But we were also hungry, and had been on our feet for four hours straight at that point, so that might have had something to do with it. :) After lunch, back to work. The sun was starting to set, and one nice grandfatherly type made me promise I'd go inside after dark fell. Close to the end of the work day, Toni and I went to go see if we could actually get into the TriStar lounge. See, the TriStar booth is actually like a little lounge in the corner, with a bar and chairs and tables, etc. But there are tons of security around, and Toni had tried three times before to get in, and failed every time. But this time, it was totally open, and we just waltzed right in. I asked the secretary in front if they'd had anyone asking for a new season of FK. She looked fairly helpless, and I took pity on her and asked her to point me in a direction. She routed me to a nice man (I know, I know, but I'm so pitiful with names, bear with me. Toni might remember.) ,who didn't know, but he was very helpful and rooted out the PR/ad person for FK from the back rooms. Okay, now I asked Toni for this lady's name at least four times... and I can't remember. Arrgh! Oh well, she was very sweet, and very informative... kinda. The most important thing she said (and she repeated it several times) was that everyone at TriStar has been *overwhelmed* and amazed at the fan response. She just kept emphasizing that. She said that the guys over in sales just started laughing whenever they saw her, because they were all just so floored by all the letters and all. But she also said that the decision wasn't hers, she just passed on the things she heard (it sounded like she was passing on a *lot*), and the real decision was in the upper levels. She was very apologetic, until I finally ended up in the position of cheering *her* up! Don't worry, honey, it's okay! We already knew it was going to be cancelled! :) She said that they have to look at the overall national ratings, and they wanted their shows to get at least a 2 (we've got a 1.7), and basically that was that, as far as the execs were concerned. We tried to slough off all of our extra bags on her, since they're generic FK, instead of FoFK, but she said no, that she had enough. We asked if people had been asking for a new season of FK, and she said she didn't know, that that was really with the sales people, but that she would probably find out soon (like a week or two, from the sound of it), and that she would let us know when she found out. So we both gave her our cards, and if Toni or I ever get anything, we'll let y'all know right away. So anyway, we had a nice half hour chat or so, and I for one left feeling much better, because it sounded very much like, even if we had no impact at all here (which was emphatically not the case), that TriStar office gossip was about the tremendous work we're doing. Everybody do the happy happy joy joy dance! We're making an impact! So by the time we got out of there, it was dark, and eerybody was fairly screaming (through our poor feet) that we wanted to go home. Dianne was a trooper, and stood out and handed out bags out in the cold while we were inside shmoozing. We waited until she ran out of bags, and then we collapsed in our hotel. Oh yeah, I forgot. We caught up with Paul DaCruz, who did the EM ad, and he was really cool. He was very very supportive of what we were doing, and wanted to get our picture (there was Dianne, Diane, Cherri and me) but his camera spazzed. So we got his card, and promised to send him the best half dozen of our pictures when we developed them. He said that what we were doing was great, and we should all be proud. After we got ourselves together at the hotel, we got a call from Annmarie, who told us the good news about the Geminis! I was the one on the phone, and when she mentioned Ger first, I leaped to my feet and started dancing about the room like a fool while everyone sat there and stared at me, until I told them, and then I was afraid we were going to get a call from hotel security about the noise level again, we were all screaming so loud. :) So we went out and got dinner, then Toni and Diane had to catch their plane, and the rest of us stayed and gambled for a couple hours. I think I was the only one to actually come out ahead, but then I only came out with five bucks after spending four. Not exactly high society. :) And I was really bummed. I'm only 5 months from 21, and I look fairly old for my age, so I figured I'd be fine, for sure. I got carded three times over the course of about three hours. My dignity may never recover. :) Anyway, at that point it was 2:30, and we had to get up and leave at 7, so we all fell into bed. And Lana, I'm sorry! I didn't see your name in the corner of the card that came with the flowers. (blush) Thank you!!! Okay, that's all for me. See, toldja it'd be a book. On to more stories. Cherri's Stories There was a guy who stopped to see what this was all about, and after getting an explanation, he said "Oh, well I'm going to see Jon Feltheimer later today. I'll talk to him about it." Heh heh. Later, there was this guy from security who came by and asked her what was going on here. She explained, and he said "Oh, so Forever Knight is tv related. Okay then." Apparently there had been people hanging around the day before from a food drive, who were annoying people, so that's probably why security was so prickly this morning. Then he asked for a brochure, and sounded really enthusiastic to go and write his local station. :) (Cath insert: which reminds me, Toni also found a cabbie who was a fan, and he apparently spread the word around to all the other cabbies, and so he came back later asking for a bunch of fliers to pass around to all of them. So there was another unexpected surge there. We got stuff like this all the time. The cabbie who took Toni and I around to hotels hadn't watched FK, but we convinced him to go watch. This stuff happened to all of us all the time. It was *great*.) Paul DaCruz came by and needed to go buy film, so he gave her his badge to go on the floor legitimately. So she got to go and see all the booths, and saw Chuck Norris at the TriStar booth. We all saw these two Klingons later, all dressed up with head ridges and everything. They were very cool. :) We all wrote postcards to the cast and crew, and will send it all out in a manila envelope to save postage. Cherri, Dianne, and Angela went around to all the hotels within walking distance (Toni and I used a cab to get to the farther out ones -Ed.). They left stacks by phones, on bell desks, spare tables, literature racks, anywhere they could find. Unfortunately, no one was immediately snatching them up, but it was also about 11 at night, so that doesn't mean anything. Dianne said Cherri's now an apprentice sneak, because she was too nervous to leave things at first, but by the end was dropping things here and there and everywhere. Diane and she had a great time handing out bags, because people weren't nasty at all, they were all really nice, even if they didn't take anything. In general, people were really enthusiastic and came and talked to them from time to time, so it made it all seem very worthwhile (me too :) -Ed.). Plus, it was a lot easier to get active when you knew that everyone was counting on you. (Most of us are real person to person weenies, and you guys were our strength time and time again. You guys are great, all of you. Even though you weren't there physically, you stood beside us in spirit, and we could feel it. -Ed.) *********************************************************** To Be Continued... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:01:50 -0800 From: Dianne Therese De Sha <maeve@m.......> Subject: NATPE REPORT - (2/2) - We came, we saw, we kicked a little *elbow*! :-) Continued From Part One... ********************************************************************* [Hi! <Dianne (Desha... you know, the Merc ;-) steals the laptop!!! <vbg>] Well, while everyone else was finding sneaky back entracnces to the convention floor, casing every press crew in sight, and carefully shmoozing whoever they could find, I was... well... I was handing out flyers and bags... for oh, about 6 hours.... Basically I spend the day doing for love the kind of job I vowed long ago *never* to do for money. :-) <flips into FK flashback mode (tm)> "Hello! I'm with Friends of Forever Knight. Would you like a bag?" (trust me, it took practice to spit _that_ much out fast enough as people rushed by!) I will be saying it reflexively in my sleep, big friendly enthusiastic [face-tiring] smile and all, for at least the next week. (Working out the numbers-- how many I passed out times how many times I had to offer before someone would accept-- I worked out that I must have said that line well over _two thousand times_ yesterday... at the very least... <sigh............... pass out :-> Some people stopped for more chat. Among the memorable: -- Some executive guy (he was turned so I couldn't see his name tag and he just rushed on by): "Hey, _we_ didn't cancel FK. Talk to Rod Perth!" (Oh yeah, thanks for the tip, dude! :-p) -- A guy who took a brochure walking by, then came back after reading part of the brochure, asked "Are you really <quotes from brochure> 'a real fan, unaffiliated with the tv industry'?" I assured him I was and went into the "explain SOS FK" spiel. He started taking down my name from the nametag and I gave him my SOS-FK business card (were we overprepared or what? :-). He turned out to be a TV critic "very glad to see people so concerned about good tv." More publicity perhaps? :-) -- the tram drivers lining up to leave at the end of the day. Toni collared one bored driver and talked to him (closet fan... we learned not to be surprised, closet fans came out of the woodwork all day long :-). He later hit Catherine up for a bag and brochure. Later he came back when I was there to get a stack for his buds, the other drivers. He and the other drivers then spent the next 45 minutes (as long as I was there!) chatting FK up and down the line. (I think the Las Vegas ratings are gonna go through the *roof* starting next week <vbg>). -- a tired older executive-type guy who stopped by, got the basic "who we are and what we're doing" spiel, patted me on the arm, wouldn't take a flyer ("No, I'm _leaving_ now.") and said "I wish someone had done this for *my* shows," sighed in a very sad way, and walked off. (<sniff>) -- and the many people who responded to my line (see above, I _ain't_ typing it again... I ain't even *thinking* it again! :-) with some combination of: "Ooooh! *I'm* a friend of Forever Knight!.... I love that show!... They're *cancelling* it?!?... That's a *great* show!...I don't get home until 11 & I always watch FK to unwind...." Later (after stripping off the nylons and skirt ("*Real people* clothes! At last!" <veryhappymerc grin> and scrubbing off the makeup <"Try it! It feels *wonderful*!"), I took Cousin Cherri under my wing and began her apprenticeship in the combination of being sneaky, exuding complete confidence, and having absolutely _no_ shame <g> that is the essence of sucessfully dropping large piles of flyers in lots of places you're not at all supposed to-- and getting away with it. <vvvbg> Then we rousted the near-comatose (morining person on two- hour time zone shift-- not doing very well by 11:30 :-) Diane E. out for the evening with repeated promises of "*Kitties*, Diane! We'll see the pretty kitties!" (*big white ones*, courtesy Sigfried and Roy :-))). A little gambling ("Oooh! It only took me an _hour_ to turn $20 into $14.75!") and many, many postcards to Toronto later (do you have any idea how many people there are on that crew? <vvvbg>), I was out cold by 3 a.m. (Only to get our first wake-up call at 6 so we could leave by 7. The second wake-up call was Catherine sitting up straight up in bed at 6:40 saying "Uh, *guys*???!!!" <vbg> Nothing like a little adrenaline to get you going in the morning <g>) [hey! wait! <wrestle match ensues>... O.k.! *O.k.*! I'm almost done with the laptop already!!!] Big thanks again to everyone I know Catherine has already covered (and everyone we'll forget to mention-- hey, we're still comatose here! :-) To Diane E., Our Fearless Leader<tm>. <g> Also to Toni for the nametags (we looked so official I had people coming up to me all day asking where the press booth, taxi stop, bathrooms, etc., etc... were :-) And a *BIG* thank you to Debbie Litchman (See? I learned how to spell it, Debbie! :-) for driving the LA carpool and making amazing time despite innumerable packing delays, starting delays, *re*packing delays, bathroom breaks, coffee breaks, gas breaks..... [o.k... back to Catherine, The Official NAPTE Strike Force Archivist... sitting here collecting stories from everyone in turn... in proper Dorianesque fashion :-)] Hi, I'm back! :) Debbie's Stories She met up with some punk rocker guys in the front entrance by where the shuttles let out, and apparently they saw her standing there with her FK bag and came running over, they said FK was their favorite show and they were ereally curious about it. They asked about whether or not it was in production, and she said it was still in season 3, but that there wasn't going to be a season 4, etc. and they were really enthusiastic and asked for some bags and flyers so they could put them up in their booth, so she did. And she says that the reason she thinks she didn't get thrown out is because she was wearing the traditional NATPE green. (Yeah, I think she was the only one not to get thrown out, of all of us, except Toni and maybe Angela. I'm *still* torqued about that. :( -Ed.) After three or four hours of standing, she went over and found a booth that was giving foot massages, and so she got one. (For which we could have all skinned her with envy, but that's another story... -Ed.) Okay, this is all for now, since I think I'm going to be getting off in about five minutes, then I have to save to disk and give this to Dianne to post, since I'm going straight into a Russian quiz (:P). Unfortunately, Debbie drove like a bat out of hell getting here, so it looks like I'll actually have to take it. :) Besides, the battery's on its last dregs of power here. [*As* she popped out the disk and handed it to me so she could get out of the car and rush to class, the "only 5 more minutes power!" warning light came on! :-) --Dianne] Angela's going to put out a quote list soon, and that will have her story with it. Toni and Diane are going to have to fend for themselves (I don't consider it a bad thing, since this will automatically slice up the tale a bit). Okay, now I really am going to shut up and get this on disk. Love to all. Be seeing you!! The NATPE Strike Force, LA contingent Dianne DeSha <desha@m.......> Debbie Litchman (see, I can write your name too, now! :) <Debbie8@e.......> Cherri Munoz <cdmunoz@e.......> Angela Lai <resa42a@u.......> Catherine Boone <catheboo@c.......>, faithful NATPE scribe (yeah I wrote the last one too, but couldn't connect to my own system, so had to use Dianne's AOL address to send. Just like Nicola to sit and sulk in his hardrive and not talk to anybody at the *most* inopportune times. I love having a computer that's named after someone I can yell at. :) Okay, okay, I'm gone! Bye!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:19:57 -0800 From: [Name removed by request] Subject: Re: Why not six? But, but i thought someone mentioned "NiQ" when talking about Ger's nomina... <exasperated sigh> Yes, yes, we were talking about Ger's best performances. i love saying stupid things. This is the second time that i've heard the FK actors have been nominated for Geminis. But Nigel has said that in Toronto, nobody recognizes him (in relation to the reaction he gets here). The awards haven't given the show alot of publicity? Is this one of those instances of a critically acclaimed show being watched by no one? i understand it's on late at night in Toronto (or it used to be) but curious folks must use their VCRs, they must. [Name removed by request] How can you trust someone who bleeds for seven days and doesn't die? - BGW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:35:02 -0800 From: Cherri Munoz <cdmunoz@e.......> Subject: TEST-DO NOT READ! This is only a test. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:08:38 -0600 From: Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......> Subject: Electronic Media article on FK Hello, all! Dianne will be posting the official NATPE update. Or maybe she already has; I've been sleeping off jet-lag all day, so I just started wading through my mail. Celeste said, several centuries ago (at least, that's what it feels like! ;> ) > The article detailing our FK travails may or may not be in the next >issue--but I'm sure someone will type the article up for the list should it >be published, you won't have to buy the magazine. Fingers crossed they print >it! It was on page 4 of the midweek Special NATPE edition, at the bottom of the page. It continued on the last left-hand page, and took up about 1/3 of the page there. There was a picture of Ger and JK (first season), too. I have a copy, and will transcribe it this weekend and put it on my web page. aul DaCruz is a *sweetheart*! He actually came looking for us and asked us to send him some pictures from our adventures at NATPE! We're gonna skim the cream and do that for him. I think we impressed him when I asked for a business card, so we'd have a mailing address for the photos, and the four of us who were there whipped out our personalized "Friends of Forever Knight" business cards (Thanks for making them, Dianne!) and handed him one each. :) Gotta go read the rest of my mail now. You guys were *Busy* while we were gone! :) Diane E The jet-lagged # D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... # # WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ # # "Ask, and it shall be given to you." Matthew 7:7 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:09:41 -0600 From: Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......> Subject: Re: Gingerbread-whats?! and stu >>>Do you know who sent the gingerbread vampires? > >Actually, I should, because someone (I think Diane E.) told me about >them a week or so ago. Sorry, but that wasn't me. I sent gingerbread vampires to JON FELTHEIMER! Well, I and a few other listmembers (Dawn Steele, Lillian Feden, Susan Garrett, Lisa McDavid-- I think there were others, but I'm jet-lagged and not thinking clearly) and Alikhat placed the order. We put "Thanks for a full third season" on the card, and he got it the day we heard there *was* gonna be a full third season! With any luck, he's going crazy trying to figure out how we found out so fast. <g> I was just trying to inflict a little guilt.... Someone else sent 'em to Parriott. Confessions? Diane E Jet-lagged, but happy to be home # D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... # # WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ # # "Ask, and it shall be given to you." Matthew 7:7 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 20:09:55 -0600 From: Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......> Subject: Re: NATPE,EM Update! Hope the listowners forgive me for exceeding the posting limit today. :) >IMPORTANT: I received a call from Columbia/Tri-Star...they said that there >are flyers out there with the incorrect phone number listed for Terri Jones >at Tri-Star... YEE-HA! Yes! Those are the NATPE flyers! That means they're getting calls! :) Toni called Tri-Star and asked them what number to call to buy the show, and that's the number they gave her, so it's their OWN fault. ;p So THERE! This came up as part of our insane day at NATPE, BTW. Stay tuned for Dianne's detailed post; I'm just answering list-mail as I go.... Diane E # D Echelbarger gryphon@e....... # # WWW HomePage: http://www.execpc.com/~echelbar/ # # "Ask, and it shall be given to you." Matthew 7:7 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:28:50 -0500 From: Deborah Menikoff <menikoff@p.......> Subject: $$ Ideas and long shots Dianne de Sha and I were talking the evening and here's a thought. Another suggestion for funding for FK .... (fwd from dianne) > Has anyone thought about RENAISSANCE?? This is Sam Raimi's (and Bruce > Campbell's) company. Yes, they do HERCULES and XENA <G>, but they are also > the folks who do AMERICAN GOTHIC -- and wouldn't AMERICAN GOTHIC and > FOREVER KNIGHT make a LOVELY block?? Does anybody know anything about > this company, how to contact them, etc.??? Oh and a couple of weeks ago, I tried to convince my "in" at one of the networks (my cousin...my actual cousin, not *our* kind of cousin) that there was a story in what we were doing and specifically how we were going about it. - you know, in our media savvy way. Well, he likes the show and all but he didn't really see that a "save our show" effort was all *that* unusual. I don't want to say he was dismissive because that's not really his way but...he sort of thought it was...*cute*. Grrrrrrrrr.... Well guess who I talked to today...right! My cousin. He called to say two things. One, he cancelled our dinner plans for tonight (the wretch) and second to say that he had spoken to a friend from work that was in attendence at NATPE. This NATPE attendee mentioned in passing something about the SOS team. I don't know if they guy got a bag or flyer or what but he did see them and people were certainly aware of what was happening and that there was this article. How impressed old Cuz' was. I told him "See! If you'd listened to me a couple of weeks ago, you coulda' had the scoop. Now all you can do is have nationally televised special report on the whole phenomenon <sp?>" He sort of chuckled (he's a chuckly kinda guy) and said "OK. Dinner tomorrow night. Bring your stuff with you and I *promise* to look at it." Well I ran right out and got an extra copy of EM (I now have 2 because I refuse to give mine up to him even for a day) to bring and all the flyers etc.... Will he look at it? Sure. He's an upright guy and I am his favorite relative. He even watches the show. He's even been kept abreast of the various SOS events etc... Will thus result in national exposure? I don't know. It's a very VERY long shot. But I've abused this connection for work in the past with success. All I can do is try...and beg...and plead. Perhaps I will even use guilt. He forgot my last birthday etc... If nothing else, he will certainly have some insights on what to do next. Maybe he knows Sam Raimi...Hmmmmmmm Wish me luck <fingers crossed> Cousin Deborah *Never* let your conscience be your guide menikoff@p....... http://www.cup.org/people/homepages/djm/page.html ------------------------------ End of FORKNI-L Digest - 25 Jan 1996 - Special issue ****************************************************
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