FORKNI-L
Digest - 18 Jan 1996
Thu, 18 Jan 1996
There are 25 messages totalling 691 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Re(2): Vampire sleep habits
2. Re(2): Call to arms for the cast and crew!
3. last call for Boston Party
4. harrison bergeron
5. FORKNI-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996 - Special issue (2)
6. Tell me how to help!!!!!!!!!
7. FK update (2)
8. Oops
9. UPN
10. The kindness of strangers
11. UPN problem
12. Fwd: FK
13. Well, I called my local station
14. Manitoba temps
15. Cast/crew goodies
16. attention Nor Calif. fans!!!!!
17. counts
18. Sent flowers
19. Digest?
20. Electronic Media
21. CFTO phone call
22. SOS:Publicity/Prodigy
23. attention Chicagoans!!
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:04:40 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: Re(2): Vampire sleep habits
>I am the newcommer who asked about Vampires sleep habits (thanks!<g>)
>And I have another question...where dose Nick sleep?
In a bed...black silk sheets? Can the Knighties confirm? :)=
Katya
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:08:47 -0500
From: Hilary Doda <Hilary_Doda@g.......>
Subject: Re(2): Call to arms for the cast and crew!
>do you realize
>how COLD it is in Toronto this time of year?
Actually, with the snowstorms in the US, and the warm front here, it's been
warmer here than in most of the USA...
Katya
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:10:14 -0500
From: cpl <cpl@b.......>
Subject: last call for Boston Party
Last call reminder for my party this saturday the 20th in the Boston
Area. I've e-mailed people directions,and haven't heard back, so I
assume all is cool. E-mail me if you want to come. Keep doing it if
I don't get back to you because my mail is sort of whacked out right
now.
ping
cpl@b.......
clin@p.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:19:32 -0500
From: cpl <cpl@b.......>
Subject: harrison bergeron
Hey all you NB fans! I just saw a copy of Harrison Bergeron (the Kurt
Vonnegut story/Showtime movie) for rent at the Videosmith where I
live. This tells me that it can be bought (probably for a limited
time only) if you so desire. So, for collectors out there, have fun!
ping
cpl@b.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:28:07 +0200
From: Katrinka <STUKENDALCA@m.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996 - Special issue
I hate debates about how to pronounce names, esp. southern. I live in a
place that proudly calls itself southern, even though *why* oklahoma is
considered southern is beyond me. They say I'm not really a yank, even
though I was born in a state that was on the northern side. (Kansas)
when the state I now live in wasn't even part of the civil war, they call
this place 'little dixie' the rapant fundemental baptist movement is a
case in point. The station mangager at the station forever knight is
being show in, has told me that he is is afraid to show it any earlier,
because vampires are consdered to be demonic to some church people. if
you run for office in this state, all the papers put your 'church home' i live
in a town of
a town of 15,000 and it has two hundred churches, 80% southern baptist.
most people where I now live have some very unique accents that they call
southern, a point in mention is the town Alex, which is pronounced
in the 'southern' way. al-ieck, the ieck being the strongest part. Miami
is called Miama. and when i first moved here, and started to attend the
college that I now attend, I was told that I better take speech therapy,
because no school in this area would take a teacher that spoke as a yank.
I must say, because of the oil boom in the early eighties, that the
people here have mellowed quite a bit, and even though I am not called an
okie, I'm accepted. Though if I came out of the closet about being a
witch, i would never be able to be hired in this state as a teacher
because it's against the law for a member of wicca to teach school.
i am not meaning to flame southerners. My mother is a southerner, and a
fundimentalist christian, and she accepts my strange beliefs. I just
thought that perhaps this kind of beliefs might keep forever knight
forever at a strange middle of the night hour in some southern markets.
About pronounciation, there are many ways to pronounce different names,
even in the french languge. Esp, in canada which has many diffrent ethnic
groups. A point is Vachon, which I've noticed some characters on the show
pronouncing his name in the french way, even though he is spanish. I just
mark it to regelism, or the characters backgrounds, or the way a person
hears a word. I'm studying to be a special ed teacher, and have been
taught that some people hear words in different ways. So every one that
has given their view on how LaCroix is pronounced might be right,
because that is how they heard it. . .
I would like to send something to a crew member, but I'm not sure which
one, is there a list of who is sending what to who, so that one crew
member won't be flooded, and another left out?
again, i don't hate southerners, I am married to one, I was just meaning
that regelism can affect a person's pronounciation.
Katrinka
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:45:54 -0500
From: Felicia Sparks <Felsparks@a.......>
Subject: Tell me how to help!!!!!!!!!
Hi! I am new to this list and I mainly joined because I heard the rumors
that the series was going to be cancelled and I had to try to do something to
try and stop it. We, meaning everyone in my house, loves the show and have
watched it since the beginning. I would love any information on how I could
help.
Felicia
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:21:48 EST
From: Cecily <D020214@u.......>
Subject: FK update
Alas, it is *not* a publicity ploy. The latest signed news I have, via
Forkni-l, is from the show's composer, Fred Mollin. TriStar has actually
ordered the sets struck and the props sold after shooting ends in February.
Our only hope is that our letter campaign will inspire enough interest
at NATPE (the convention of the National Association of Television
Programming Executives) this week.
If you haven't already, please call your syndicated stations and ask
them to ask TriStar for a fourth season. Make it plain that you are
asking them to approach TriStar, not just to wait for one to be offered.
USA didn't get the ratings it expected and will stop showing new shows
after next week. That leaves only the syndies. Of course, USA also
dropped Janette and tried to change part of the premise, but that's
another story.
Anyway, only the syndicated stations will complete the season.
For more information, try the Save Forever Knight homepage:
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
This contains addresses, fax numbers, everything anyone who wants to
help needs.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:24:44 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: Oops
I think I just sent Forkni-l a message which should have gone to
Vampyres@h........ Sorry! I was answering a query from someone who
thought the campaign might be a publicity ploy.
Oh, well, at least I didn't say anything libellous.
If you're wondering who the Cecily in the sig is, she's my Vampyres
character, the ghost of my former SCA persona.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble." IT SURE IS THIS TIME!
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:58:12 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: UPN
I don't know. If they put FK on after Voyager and Nowhere Man I think FK
would have a pretty good chance.
Toni M.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:08:40 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: The kindness of strangers
Thanks to all those who offered to provide me with a tape of
"Strings". Since it seems that USA will be showing it next Tuesday,
I'll just wait (none too patiently). I am very pleased and touched
by the kindness of so many people I've never met. You folks are the
best!
Harper
of course we are dear, we'
re FKers!!!
You'll like "Strings" even though it doesn't have Vachon in it.
:) Toni M.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:20:10 EST
From: Lisa McDavid <D020214@u.......>
Subject: UPN problem
While I'd be ecstatic if UPN did go into the kind of deal FK had with
USA last year, maybe it should be noted that we'd still need some kind
of syndication to achieve the coverage they have now.
UPN isn't available as a station in all markets. Mine is an example.
Cousin Lisa -- "That will be trouble."
Lisa McDavid
mcdavid-lisa@s.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:18:59 EST
From: MS ANNE P PINZOW <TBZY17B@p.......>
Subject: Fwd: FK
------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------
> Date: Thursday, 18-Jan-96 09:41 AM
>
> From: Jacqueline Lichtenberg \ PRODIGY: (XEYQ30A)
> To: Anne Pinzow \ PRODIGY: (TBZY17B)
>
> Subject: FK
>
> Anne:
>
> Please post this to the discussion list.
>
> I saw an item on CNBC this morning about a poll taken to determine what
> businesses were being hurt by people re-apportioning their time because of
> involvement with the internet.
>
> I caught only 3 of the numbers and failed to catch the poll's conductor's
> name.
>
> 52% of those polled said they cut back on time watching television.
> 12% said they cut back on time spent reading
> 12% said they cut back on social interactions
> but I didn't catch the exact wording - I think it was family time.
>
> Another small percentage cut back on sleep to make room for the internet
> in their lives.
>
> This is extraordinarily significant for an internet based
> revive-a-tv-program campaign.
>
> Suddenly it becomes A GOOD THING that highly internet involved people are
> using the internet to attract and energize a following for a tv show.
>
> TV show producers who are seeing their potential audience eroded away by
> the internet suddenly have a handle on how to save their careers. The
> ratings battle-ground is shifting.
>
> Some serious creative thinking can make use of this poll in the save-FK
> campaign.
>
> This poll is today's news (Jan 18, '96) and should be available on AP Wire
> or other news sources.
>
> My congratulations to those who engineered the Arisia presence of FK. It
> was a letter-perfect performance and clearly indicates that this group has
> what it takes to get this job done.
>
> That sounds a little formal. Let me rephrase.
> GOSH-WOW - GOLLY GEE WOW-OH-WOW. I just discovered a whole new bunch of
> the best people in the world and I want to be friends with every single
> one. Rae Montor is the delight of the ages. There's true wisdom in that
> woman. Ron the Enforcer is a beautiful soul and someone you'll never want
> to cross. The organizing whirlwinds surrounding these people were moving
> so fast I barely had time to read their badges. Creative genius abounds
> in this group.
>
> The strength of the FK fan group lies in the very clear fact that although
> there were several key executive organizers who made this happen, no one
> person was any sort of chief or "in charge" or "boss." So when one key
> person was forced to go home early, the entire operation proceeded with
> barely a hitch - not because the person was not missed, but because she
> had done such a good job that others could pick up the load.
>
> This showed me more clearly than any other event (including the party
> which filled the room) that this effort to keep FK on the air will
> succeed. This group has the typical fannish leader-less-ness that makes
> it un-killable. Any person in this group is capable of leading us to
> success. And all these leaders are perfectly capable of following anybody
> who's leading at the moment.
>
> As long as we work together, we won't be passive victims of other people's
> decisions about what we may or may not watch on tv.
>
> Live Long and Prosperk, Jacqueline Lichtenberg
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:44:20 EST
From: Karen Tobin <ktobin@t.......>
Subject: Well, I called my local station
Hi, everyone,
I called WFXT in Boston, and it was NOT a positive experience. I
basically got a lecture on demographics and cult followings. They
don't know if they will ask for it at NATPE; they are still
considering.
ARGGGH! I'm another phone-phobe. This is how bad I am: When
I was a kid, my mother used to make me call places like resaurants
and stores to ask questions. I always did accents when I called, so
they wouldn't "know" me when I went in. I didn't do that today, but I
would have liked to!
Well, I'm going to read Dianne's story now. I feel like I deserve it!
Karen, Knightie/Heartbreaker/FFFROG ktobin@t......., KarenT1228@a.......)
Reference Librarian of the Save Forever Knight Campaign
Forever Knight has been cancelled. To help, email me
and/or visit: http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:01:48 -0600
From: Kimberley <$LOWKD@b.......>
Subject: Re: FORKNI-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996 - Special issue
>On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Lynn McAlpine wrote:
>
>> Of COURSE they could use cheering up. Everything else aside, do you realize
>> how COLD it is in Toronto this time of year? Maybe I'll send them a carton of
>> hot chocolate.
Well, actually I do. According to the broadcast of the Jets/Leafs game last
night, the reason they had power problems at Maple Leaf Gardens was because
of rain and fog. So maybe raincoats would be a little more apt.
On the other hand, Brandon, Manitoba is sitting at -40 degrees C with a
windchill factor of 2200. That's during the daytime. So if you wish to
send anyone hot chocolate.... :-)
Now for my real question. Has anyone written to CTV, and if so, did you
receive a response? And if so, and if you included your e-mail address, did
it come by fastest route or via the same medium you sent it by?
And for a stranger question that will be ultimately linked to Forever
Knight, and those on the fiction list may even find out how depending on the
reception it gets from two people affected. Does anyone know _exactly_ how
many teeth Doug Gilmour is missing? And more importantly, which ones?
(Advanced apologies to Melissa for scamming your idea, if you want an entire
explanation as to why, e-mail me and I'll send it to you.)
Kimberley *NatPacker* ($lowkd@m.......)
Game of gopher, anyone?
"Shouldn't we be doing something - constructive?"
"What did you have in mind?... A short, blunt human pyramid...?"(RAGAD)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:42:02 -0500
From: "[M A Martin]" <mmartin@b.......>
Subject: Manitoba temps
On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Kimberley wrote:
> On the other hand, Brandon, Manitoba is sitting at -40 degrees C with a
> windchill factor of 2200.
Hmmmm... They must have some pretty strange winds up there in Manitoba if
the air temp is below freezing but with the windchill factor it is
*above* freezing! And at that temperature is there anything left in
Brandon, Manitobaa or has it all vaporized?
Meg (mmartin@b.......)
The American Association of State Colleges and Universities recently
discovered that roughly two-thirds of colleges are either considering
or have already implemented computer-literacy requirements for their
students, but only one-fifth plan to apply similar standards for
professors. --- Oct 1995, Wired
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:42:25 -0500
From: Lynn McAlpine <Chatelyne@a.......>
Subject: Re: Cast/crew goodies
Well, the hot cocoa mix is on it's way to Toronto! I encourage anyone who
plans to send a package to do it quickly. The post office quoted 7-10 days
airmail (I hope they are over-estimating!) and you don't even WANT to know
what express mail costs.
Lynn McAlpine
Chatelyne@a.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:15:06 +0000
From: Lisa Wolters </S=L.WOLTERS/OU1=S27A@m.......>
Subject: attention Nor Calif. fans!!!!!
OK. The lack of reposne from KOFY San Francisco, which has always
been a huge supporter of FK in the past, is making me nervous. If
ANYOBDY had heard that KOFY has a continuing interest in FK (i.e.,
the programming director said so!) PLEASE speak up now! If KOFY
drops FK, this is baaaaad for northern California.
KOFY is now owned by the WB, which is coming out with that
"Buffy" crap next season. KOFY used to air FK in a primo 8 pm
weekday timeslot, but shifted to 11 pm on Sat. to make room for the
WB's lineup. (so they told me in Sept.) Sombody else mentioned that
with "Kindred," or Fangs 90210, set in SF, that might also make KOFY
think twice about keeping *our* vampire cop show.
Deb Bender on AOL suggested that we do an abrupt, last-minute
about-face and start calling other Bay Area stations, urging them to
grab FK at NATPE if KOFY passes it up. Possibly channel 44 as
a best bet, since they're now UPN and UPN will be the only network
WITHOUT a vamp show next season, and since they already show
"Highlander."
Anybody got the phone number and call letters for that station?
*
Lisa with a W./MVRJasper@a....... (readin' the list at work...)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:39:01 -0400
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: Re: FK update
If you haven't already, please call your syndicated stations and ask
them to ask TriStar for a fourth season. Make it plain that you are
asking them to approach TriStar, not just to wait for one to be offered. >>
Ok, guys, I <*blush*> called my local sydie at college and asked them to
ask for a fourth season <wow!> Toni went and called a station! I *never*
do this! I'm surprised at my audaciousness. I have a severe phone phobia
that is my only one(but it's a bigone). So im really proud of myself!!!
Praise praise praise!!! Hee hee!
cool. i'll conquer this yet . Wombat on the move! Everybody out of the way!!!!!
Zip! ok. wow. i feel like im actually doing something. i never realized how
the phone is so much more personal. dah dah dah!
ok. toni will shut up now.
Toni M.
MA97AD14@a.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:24:47 -0500
From: Bea Quindlen <OCaoin@a.......>
Subject: counts
If you have sent correspondence of any type to save FK e-mail me
(OCaoin@a.......) with a count so we can see how we're doing! Please specify
who you sent to, that is, do
not say TPTB. Using the list below as a guide would be a big help. Thank you.
If you are sending gifts, etc. to the cast and crew e-mail Allison Percy
(percy91@w.......) and let her know what you sent.
If you have sent a donation to the NATPE campaign (bags & ad) send that info
to
Diane Echelbarger <gryphon@e.......>
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Time: 3:00 pm Thur. Jan 18, 1996
117 lottery tickets
2906 Letters so far to:
586 Kay Koplovitz USA
547 Jon Feltheimer TriStar/Columbia
279 Ron Perth USA
186 Bonnie Hammer USA
16 Telemuchen
51 Paragon
77 Sony
97 TriStar/Columbia
138 USA
36 James Parriot
13 FOX
299 Local Syndicators
549 Sponsors
11 Cast/Crew
21 misc.
61 FAXES:
33 Kay Koplovitz USA
3 USA
8 Columbia/TriStar
17 misc.
254 E-MAILS:
56 USA
29 SONY
42 Columbia/TriStar
11 Fred Mollin
9 Nigel Bennett
7 James Parriot
100 misc
10 Telegrams
55 People have indicated they donated to charity as well.
Misc= Marvin Kittman, Steve Case(AOL), Prodigy, USA Weekend, Ian Spelling, TV
Guide, Sci-Fi Weekly, Entertainment Weekly, Ontario Development Corp., and
the recently acquired fax numbers, etc. and Terri Johnson
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:43:27 -0800
From: Heather Thornburg <penni@t.......>
Subject: Re: Sent flowers
> n Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Apache wrote:
>
>
> you know guys, i think I missed Fever. OPur episodes of FK are on Monday
> mornings at 1:30 am. So, tell me that counts as the beginning of the week
> doesn't it?! Damn. Does anybody have a copy of Fever (or can make me one)?
> I'll pay S&H. I'd really appreciate it. hmph. i **** those ***** ******* who
> move around FK al the time (don't worry those weren't real swears). i missed
> Vachon sweaty and shirtless!?!?! No!!!!!
> Toni M.
> Ma97ad14@a.......
> wombat down and out
>
Me to please.
Heather
penni@w.......
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:27:30 -0500
From: Shannon Thompson <celtic@j.......>
Subject: Digest?
Hi! I was just wondering...I haven't gotten a digest since last night and
was wondering if I'm having a mail problem? Sorry for taking up space...
Shannon
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:49:16 -0500
From: Annmarie McKee-Fitzgerald <mickey@c.......>
Subject: Electronic Media
Hi,
First,thanks to Laurie who got in contact with Electronic Media.
Wayne Wallie from their NY bureau just called and he was thrilled and
amazed by our efforts and will be putting a story out next Wednesday!
Now...if someone could just tell me where to access this so I can pass it
along to the AOL list and Newsgroup mailings, I'd appreciate it!
I also gave him the time for when Ch 5 in NY shows FK and I think we may
have a new fan!
"Forever Knight" needs YOUR HELP! Write to Pres.Jon Feltheimer Tri-Star TV.
9336 West Washington Blvd Culver City CA 90232...AND...Write your local.
affiliate! Let your voice be heard! ....VISIT THE FOREVER KNIGHT HOME PAGE.
http://members.aol.com/CuznJamiMR/SaveForeverKnight.html Thank You :).
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:27:17 -0800
From: Dianne Therese DeSha <desha@b.......>
Subject: Re: CFTO phone call
>
> Well, I did it. I actually phoned a TV station (CFTO)...be proud. I hate
> being so phone-shy...
> Unfortunately, I got a secratery who had no clue..."Forever Knight? That's
> that cop show, isn't it? Do we show that? Really?"
Yes, but now she'll at least have heard of it. And _somebody_ has
presumably gotten your message to ask for the fourth season at NAPTE.
And that's one more person _we_ won't have on our hands in Vegas saying,
"Huh???" :-)))
Keep it up, guys!
Dianne
The Mad Digester :-) -*- NATPE Carpool Coordinator -*- FoFoD
Dianne la Mercenaire... -*- <moonlight@c.......>
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:16:27 EST
From: CINDY L BREWER <DHRC98C@p.......>
Subject: SOS:Publicity/Prodigy
Hi Guys,
Lost track of who's keeping track of publicity,so......:-)
Anyone on Prodigy check out the Scifi BB,the board's leader did give us a
mention on the menu section. If anyone wants to drop him a note of thanks
his name is Randy Taylor,email: TRVZ91A.
I've also sent the press releases to Michael Logan,TV Guide. And Glenn
Kenny(SciFi/Fantasy columist) TV Guide. Plus Matt Roush(sp?) USA Today. And
my local paper.:-)
So keep you're fingers crossed.Maybe one of them will write back.:-)
Cindy Brewer DHRC98C@p.......
Knightie,Nick&Natpacker,Optimist's club
Vaquera
"You're the only supernatural friend I have."Tracy to Vachon
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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:04:32 +0300
From: Antonia Mandry <MA97AD14@a.......>
Subject: attention Chicagoans!!
anybody know the phone number for CBS in chicago? And has anybody already
called them and asked if they are going to carry FK's 4th season??!!
Toni M.
Getting very industrious over a show she just started watching regularly in
December. See ... ? Forever Knight can *grab* you ... like __that__!!
Forever Wombat
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